RE: Web history
Hi Dave: As much fun as it is to joke about this, this could be a hairy thing to do. Why? 1. Pre-XML would infer SGML for those of us here. XML, however, was SGML On the Web originally, not meant to replace SGML although that is what it was turned into. (Sorry, Mike Sperberg-McQueen, but I stand by that, your speech irregardless.) 2. Skip over that and it narrows down to the SGML As Applied To Hypertext/Media before XML. So then the Oxford project doesn't really apply does it? In fact, you are left with the US military community for the most part, that is, the work done at GE, Lockheed Martin, US Navy David Taylor Model Basin, and the US Air Force, aka, the "Lunatic Fringe of SGML" as the early IETMers were called and a couple of products. Do we only count the ones that did as XML imitated and decoupled DTDs? 3. Do you count the work Truly Donovan did (is HTML really an invention or an adaptation)? Who can say? 4. Does HyTime/DSSSL count since most of it was thrown away? 5. Of these projects, which are considered contributors and how can you tell? IOW, you are asking what constitutes "invention"? 6. Is this project gathering papers that serve to document prior art or simply to provide a focused if narrow history of The Web? When does it begin and end because clearly the efforts mentioned above, e.g., the four billion dollar CALS effort that educated many of us played a role after 1994 and therefore all of those efforts mentioned above play a role in the "invention" of the web? Of the people I see on that WG so far, few if any have the background knowledge to evaluate that. I'm not mentioning the clear antecedents of the web such as Hypercard, Plato, the Intelligent Tutoring Systems, MS Help and its siblings, or the document generators because they may have contributed but aren't markup. Their inventors can defend them. I'm not mentioning HTTP (a child of FTP) because that is not a part of this mail list history. OTW, this becomes a history of markup/GML/SGML/XML and a chapter dedicated to HTML which has fuzzy beginnings. That's a lot of strands to weave. Who says what goes in and what goes on the cutting room floor? len -----Original Message----- From: DaveP [mailto:email@example.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:32 AM To: firstname.lastname@example.org Subject: Web history http://www.w3.org/community/webhistory/ "Web History Community Group This group gathers people interested in the history of the World Wide Web: how it was invented, what was out there that made it possible, and what happened in its early years. Our main goal is to collect and preserve valuable information (software, documents, testimonials) before it is lost. This group will not produce specifications. " How many pre-XML people still lurk here? Could be a valuable reference. regards -- Dave Pawson XSLT XSL-FO FAQ. http://www.dpawson.co.uk _______________________________________________________________________ XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS to support XML implementation and development. To minimize spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ Or unsubscribe: email@example.com subscribe: firstname.lastname@example.org List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php
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