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RE: XML spec and XSD

• From: "Jim Tivy" <jimt@bluestream.com>
• To: <Tim.Bray@Sun.COM>,"'Mukul Gandhi'" <gandhi.mukul@g...>
• Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 14:56:33 -0800

Hearing this is truly music to my ears. The implication being that the XML
spec would not even have to talk about "valid" or "validity" - thus we would
not have to deal with this matter if inclusivity with respect to schema
languages in the XML spec.

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim.Bray@Sun.COM [mailto:Tim.Bray@Sun.COM] 
Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:33 PM
To: Mukul Gandhi
Cc: G. Ken Holman; xml-dev@lists.xml.org
Subject: Re:  XML spec and XSD

On 2009-11-15, at 8:01 AM, Mukul Gandhi wrote:

> Tim Bray wrote earlier in this thread:
> Mention of DTD into XML 1.0 spec, was historic accident. I think, Tim
> was quite modest to support my view point. But I think, he recognizes
> some truth with this textual flaw in the spec, in the current
> scenario.

The textual flaw isn't that it doesn't mention XSD or RNG, the textual flaw
is that it mentions *any* schema language.   A very high proportion of
real-world XML processing is entirely free of anything schema-related.  The
vast majority of the XML value proposition is delivered by schema-free
well-formed XML.  Even in those apps that use a schema in their
specification, the vast majority of run-time processing is schema-free.  One
of the costliest common mistakes of XML app/language designers is putting
too much importance on schemas.  The XML specification shouldn't be
encouraging that mistake.

My own vision of what XML.next ought to look like may be found at
http://www.textuality.com/xml/xmlSW.html

 -Tim

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