Endure being the key word for those of us that are no-nothings wanting to learn something while learning the ropes. Clearly the ropes mean that until you know everything, one is not supposed to enter into the open forum with suggestions.

I am a fast learner, Len. As with other forums, those that like to bash become known by name and you learn to endure by not reading their posts.

John

One, you and Mr. Allman seem to skip past the point that is was another poster that began to list the articles here.

Two, part of the idea of open lists is to discuss items related to the standard openly.   OO (XML).

Three, this list has a long history of open discussion on a wide range of topics and you should familiarize yourselves with the history of a list before you attempt to direct it away from topics you personally find discomforting.

Since you are both newcomers, learn the ropes.

Delete and endure. 

len

-----Original Message-----
From: John F Covin [mailto:johnfcovin@f...]
Sent: Saturday, September 01, 2007 11:13 AM
To: 'Len Bullard'; mcallman@a...; xml-dev@l...
Subject: RE: Political opinions and this list

I agree with Mark Allman. I understand your sentiment, Len. However, shouldn’t there be a better forum for those developing the standards to discuss this particular behind-the-scenes detail of what goes on to develop the standards? I do not see how a discussion of this aspect of the standard process helps the community at large that is interested only in learning about how to understand and use the technology.

Passing it along in this forum seems to be perpetuating the ‘tar ball’ so to speak.

John

Politics are part of business and standards have become a weapon of choice.   Delete and endure.

len

From: Mark C. Allman [mailto:mcallman@a...]

Could we please keep the political jabs off this list?  I subscribed to read about XML topics.

Thanks.