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Re: Microsoft buys the Swedish vote on OOXML?

• From: "bryan rasmussen" <rasmussen.bryan@g...>
• To: "Elliotte Harold" <elharo@m...>
• Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 09:42:42 +0200

well come on, if the process is being gamed in an unethical manner do
you think that the ethical obligations of an oath will deter this?
People who could conceivably be taking a bribe to affirm a standard
will say, hey I was all ready to take a bribe but not now when they
want me to take an oath that everything is ethical!

I suppose it needs three prongs, longer times to get in plus a high
attendance record to vote. This increases the cost of gaming the
system.

an oath.

an affirmation in joining membership that unethical actions in
attempting to pass a standard (def of unethical) is considered as
damaging to the reputation and good standing of the standards
organization and process and can lead to civil suits for damages.

Cheers,
Bryan Rasmussen

On 9/3/07, Elliotte Harold <elharo@m...> wrote:
> Several people have proposed that vendors be required to join the
> process 45 days, six months, a year or whatever before the vote to avoid
> these sorts of shenanigans. I think that's still open to abuse. I would
> propose an alternative procedure:
>
> Anyone (natural person, not company) voting on a proposed standard
> should be required to affirm, under oath, that either:
>
> 1. They have read the entire standard and feel they understand what it says.
>
> or
>
> 2. They have read the entire standard, and feel that it is
> incomprehensible in significant respects.
>
> Of course, affirming #2 would only be consistent with a No vote. This
> would deter people from jumping in at the last minute to vote on a
> standard just to support their friends and partners. As a side effect,
> it would also encourage smaller, more modular, more comprehensible
> standards. How many people have really read the entire OOXML spec? or
> the entire XQuery specs? And personally six years in, I still don't feel
> like I fully understand the W3C Schema specs, despite having read them
> end-to-end multiple times and even written books about them.
>
> --
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