RE: Results of Open XML balloting at INCITS
Len, Mike's point is that the *fast-track* process is not the same as the normal standards development process. Of course, there is controversy in standards development, and that's often a path towards standards' improvement (but also a path towards uselessness just to reach a compromise). But the fast-track process was explicitly designed to take specifications that have become standards in some other way, either through another (semi-) formal organization or through careful specification and widespread use, and turn them into ISO standards. But, as Mike said, that is intended only for standards that are without major controversy. The specification being discussed has been controversial -- not manufactured, but very real -- from the beginning. I could go into the reasons for the controversy (from my viewpoint, at least), but that's not the point of this message. The level of controversy involved is, IMHO, sufficient that the fast-track process should be cancelled and the specification submitted to an ISO/IEC JTC1 Subcommittee for standardization through the normal process. That might take a bit longer, but would ensure that a consensus is reached. Of course, we know that's not going to happen, because the author of the spec under discussion would refuse any compromises or even to allow another (dissenting) voice to be heard. I also agree with Mike that the USA decision (or discussion) will have much influence on other National Bodies' votes. Hope this helps, Jim P.S., Full disclosure: I work for Oracle Corp., which is one of the USA participants opposed to the USA voting "yes" on this ballot. At 8/12/2007 08:25 AM, Len Bullard wrote: >The problem is knowing where a controversy is genuine or manufactured. If >the only rule is non-controversy, very few standards would pass. Anyone >remember just how controversial XSD was (still is in some circles) or XML >Namespaces? > >len > >From: Robin Cover [mailto:robin@o...] >Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 8:41 AM > >Thanks for providing context, Michael. You're right: the >commentary surrounding the INCITS balloting situation obscures >the fact that INCITS' decision is (probably) relevant only to the >US vote, one of many. > >Robin >On Sun, 12 Aug 2007, Michael Kay wrote: > > > I haven't seen any evidence that the US decision will influence the many > > other national standards bodies who will also be voting. Since the whole > > point about the fast-track process is that it's only supposed to be used > > when things are uncontroversial, I would have thought many countries will > > vote no purely on that basis. > > > > Michael Kay > > http://www.saxonica.com/ > > > >_______________________________________________________________________ > >XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS >to support XML implementation and development. To minimize >spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. > >[Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ >Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@l... >subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@l... >List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ >List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php ======================================================================== Jim Melton --- Editor of ISO/IEC 9075-* (SQL) Phone: +1.801.942.0144 Co-Chair, W3C XML Query WG; F&O (etc.) editor Fax : +1.801.942.3345 Oracle Corporation Oracle Email: jim dot melton at oracle dot com 1930 Viscounti Drive Standards email: jim dot melton at acm dot org Sandy, UT 84093-1063 USA Personal email: jim at melton dot name ======================================================================== = Facts are facts. But any opinions expressed are the opinions = = only of myself and may or may not reflect the opinions of anybody = = else with whom I may or may not have discussed the issues at hand. = ========================================================================
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