RE: Microsoft buys the Swedish vote on OOXML?
I disagree that Len is arguing against the idea of one vote per company. This does not follow. As I read his text, I thought it was a cynical dig at MS, not a conclusion regarding "the way it should be". I also disagree that Len is "implying that the proper remedy is for every other company to try to stuff the ballot box..." What I see in Len's text is a rhetorical question. He could be implying that the standards committee needs to institute a membership policy barring one-day-old members from voting. To say that he's implying one particular solution is a mistake that simply doesn't follow from his words. For my part, I believe these standards committees should have membership policies to prevent such clear attempts to push through such decisions. But does it really matter? MS has found their solution...be prepared for this sort of behavior over and over again... -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Robie [mailto:jonathan.robie@r...] Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 12:30 PM To: Len Bullard Cc: xml-dev@l... Subject: Re: Microsoft buys the Swedish vote on OOXML? Len Bullard wrote: > Of course MS partners vote for MS > submissions. That's practical business. Did MS gather them up? I can't > say and neither can you nor can the author of that article. They probably > did. Are Google, Sun and IBM not doing that as well? If not, they are not > being very smart. > You seem to be arguing against the idea of one vote per company, saying that whoever is best able to create large lobbies should win in the standardization process. > No. I think it rather weird that everyone else shows up late in smaller > numbers. Do Sun, Red Hat, IBM and Google have so few partners they can't > afford to join? > I honestly don't know whether Red Hat has been voting on this standard at all - I haven't been involved in ODF, OOXML, or ISO standards, but you seem to be implying that the proper remedy is for every other company to try to stuff the ballot box by enlisting their own partners, and whoever does this best should win. >> 4. There is not widespread adoption of OOXML outside of Microsoft. Most >> of the OOXML implementations are from partners of Microsoft who have >> contractual agreements to implement OOXML software. >> > > So the partners of Microsoft are inside Microsoft and the partners of Red > Hat are outside Red Hat? Are you the Red Queen? That's really bogus. > This is one of the traditional ways to measure whether a standard is implementable - compatibility among multiple independent implementations. That's the approach we take in the W3C, where I've been on standards groups for 10 years. I think Google is implying that there are not multiple independent implementations for OOXML. I have no idea what a Red Queen is, but I'm certainly not speaking for Red Hat in anything I say, I don't know what our position is on OOXML, and the quote above comes from Google's position paper, not from me. >> I guess I should express my own views too. I think OOXML is a good >> thing, and I'm very glad Microsoft produced it. I don't think it should >> be a standard, because it is designed precisely to represent one >> vendor's office documents, not as a general purpose office document >> format created by a group of vendors. >> > > That is a MUCH better deal than if it isn't a standard. Because of > political gerrymandering, if it isn't a standard, the legal conditions are > such that very large customers have to switch and thee me and the rest of > the taxpayers foot the bill. Where will that money go? Well... to Red Hat, > Sun, IBM, and indirectly, to Google. > > So the bottom line is their customers pay you to free them from Microsoft by > taking the same information and making it less informative? Huh? > So should there be a standard for each vendor's proprietary formats, or just for Microsoft's? In an ideal world, there would be one standard format, and all vendors would support it, eliminating the cost of proprietary conversions. Jonathan _______________________________________________________________________ XML-DEV is a publicly archived, unmoderated list hosted by OASIS to support XML implementation and development. To minimize spam in the archives, you must subscribe before posting. [Un]Subscribe/change address: http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/ Or unsubscribe: xml-dev-unsubscribe@l... subscribe: xml-dev-subscribe@l... List archive: http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ List Guidelines: http://www.oasis-open.org/maillists/guidelines.php
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