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Re: quiz on select vs copy-of

• To: Christian Nentwich <christian@s...>
• Subject: Re: quiz on select vs copy-of
• From: "Oleg A. Paraschenko" <olpa@x...>
• Date: Fri, 2 Sep 2005 23:26:19 +0400
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: <4318311D.3080802@s...>
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  Hello Christian,

  thank you for answering to Michael and Dimitri. What left for me is to
add some comments.

On Fri, 02 Sep 2005 12:01:49 +0100
Christian Nentwich <christian@s...> wrote:

> Michael, Dimitri.
> 
> you are right it shouldn't be a dark corner, but it IS in practice.

  Probably I used an incorrect word. The specification is very clear
explaining the differences. But how often do we read specifications?

  Here is my example of a "bug":

<x:variable name="v1" select="false()"/>
<x:variable name="v2"><x:copy-of select="false()"/></x:variable>

  I didn't expect that "v2" is RTF, but it is so.

<x:value-of select="not($v1)"/>  ===>  true
<x:value-of select="not($v2)"/>  ===>  false

  Hm, I've just found a similar example in the specification...


> This does do people's heads in... and it's a source of bugs. I've been
> called on site by clients just to find and fix this particular problem
> quite a few times.
> 
> The usual story goes as follows: "ah well we used to use select="" but 
> then we had to add some choose and if and had to use a child element".
> Boom.
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> Michael Kay wrote:
> > This shouldn't be a dark corner, because the fact that nodes have
> > identity is pretty fundamental, but sadly there are lots of people who
> > aren't aware of the implications. The answer of course is (2).
> > 
> > Michael Kay
> > http://www.saxonica.com/  
> > 
> > 
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Oleg A. Paraschenko [mailto:olpa@x...] 
> >>Sent: 01 September 2005 20:45
> >>To: xml-dev
> >>Subject:  quiz on select vs copy-of
> >>
> >>  Hello,
> >>
> >>  do you know the dark corners of XSLT? Here is one. Compare two
> >>variables:
> >>
> >><xsl:variable name="v1" select="some-xpath"/>
> >><xsl:variable name="v2"><xsl:copy-of 
> >>select="some-xpath"/></xsl:variable>
> >>
> >>  Are "v1" and "v2" the same? I mean: can "v1" and "v2" be used in a
> >>program interchangeably? Answers:
> >>
> >>1) yes
> >>2) no
> >>3) implementation-dependant
> >>
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>.
> >>
> >>  The right answer is (2): no. Changing a use of "v1" to 
> >>"v2", or reverse,
> >>might change the result of a stylesheet. I'll post an example 
> >>later. Or
> >>you can provide your version.
> >>
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>Oleg Paraschenko  olpa@ http://xmlhack.ru/  XML news in Russian
> >>http://uucode.com/blog/  Generative Programming, XML, TeX, Scheme
> >>
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