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 basudeb gupta wrote: >Still the fact remains that XML is nothing but a >different form of comma delimited raw text data. > > no it's not. not in any way, shape, or form. <rant> comma delimited struggles with position dependence, embedded commas (you need " as well as ,), multilingual issues, number representations etc. it's probably the worst format ever invented. but it's popular. it's like the old sorting problem - bubble sorts are simple and popular and totally useless for significant data sets. csv is much the same - simple, popular, and totally useless for most of the planet. </rant> >It has spawned more software, tools, discussions and >forums on just how to interpret this data. > >The whole concept of writing <xxxxx> followed by ></xxxxx> is almost childlike in its simplicity and >wastefulness. > >Why are someone talking about binary XML suddenly? > >- Basudeb: a very late comer > > > >--- "Hurd, Bruce" <Bruce.Hurd@n...> wrote: > > > >>The two main differences between XML and struct's is >>that XML doesn't >>dictate the structure of the data whereas a struct >>does by definition. >>The second main difference is that XML is self >>describing. Sure you >>don't get context, that would be impossible to >>define in an open >>standard. For example, its not XML's job to tell >>you what a <book /> >>means but it is its job to tell that it is a book. >>That's description. >>Where as the contents of a struct is merely a stream >>of bytes, there's >>nothing there but the content. >> >>These are the main reasons why XML became such a >>great standard. As >>soon as you define a structure you're also implying >>and/or limiting >>implementation which reduces the inter-operability >>of that data. >>Defining structure is the job of the data's author, >>not the transport >>mechanism. >> >>-Bruce >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Tech Rams [mailto:techmailing@y...] >>Sent: Friday, 16 September 2005 12:06 p.m. >>To: Anil Philip; Michael Kay; 'xml dev' >>Subject: RE: basic qs - how is xml more >>flexible for >>exchanging data? >> >>I think Michael's point was precisely about binary >>data - no one has issues with text/ascii data >>(mostly). >> >>How can you guarantee that who ever is receiving the >>data (and whenever) will be able to reconstruct the >>structure you have, given Michael's points? >> >>-rams >> >>--- Anil Philip <goodnewsforyou@y...> wrote: >> >> >> >>>I dont think you understood the post - I meant >>> >>> >>when >> >> >>>one transfers binary data (in a file or stream). I >>>am >>>not referring to C compilers and it's not about >>>metadata or validation. Where are you now? >>> >>>--- Michael Kay <mike@s...> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>Two C compilers on different architectures would >>>>represent that structure >>>>quite differently. There's no data interchange >>>> >>>> >>>there >>> >>> >>>>at all except between >>>>identical machines with identical compilers >>>> >>>> >>>running >>> >>> >>>>identical applications; >>>>there's no scope for attaching metadata to the >>>>message; there's no scope for >>>>validation... Where have you been all these >>>> >>>> >>years? >> >> >>>>Michael Kay >>>>http://www.saxonica.com/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>__________________________________ >>>Yahoo! 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