Re: Reject then reinvent..?
Danny, If the "official" response means anything (and in this particular case the response was similar enough to the reason for dropping hailstorm -- although in a completely opposite sense (e.g customers didnt want MS managing their data, customers do want WinFS, its the delivery schedule that caused an uproar by the hardware vendors) In other words there was enough backlash from the hardware manufacturers based on the release schedule that had WinFS as part of Longhorn client in 2005/6 but not server until 2007 (if I am remembering my dates (and reasoning for that matter) correctly) that forced MS to step back and reevaluate... What brought on the ultimate decision to decouple WinFS from Longhorn, realizing it would devalue Longhorn in a HUGE way is anyones guess (the rumors were spreading that there were fears it simply wouldnt be ready for Lonhorn anyway.) So, as far as I remember it correctly, WinFS from a client and server standpoint will release at the same time (2007ish?) allowing hardware manufacturers more time to prepare as well as the ability to keep the release of hardware that would, I assume, add acceleration features etc... that will drive the incentive to upgrade to the latest and greatest etc... As far as why not just tie into RSS 1.0/RDF -- Heres a couple of guesses... Like it or not the "genius" behind the RSS 1.0/2.0 becoming separate projects has got to be considered as not so appealing to the marketing folks... while the rest of us may have it figured out we represent MAYBE 1/100th of 1% of the entire population (4 million or so its actually pretty high... my guess its even lower than that of those in whom truly know what is what and why... actually even less know or at least understand the why...) Bottom line... the public thinks that RSS 2.0 is better than RSS 1.0. For a marketing giant like MS to tie themselves with what would be perceived as an older technology would not only be stupid -- people would more than likely be fired because of it... thats the way it works, like it or not. Maybe the better question would be why cant the RSS 1.0 folks get together with the RSS 2.0 folks and merge efforts -- I'm pretty sure/confident I already know the answer to that question and its for this reason that I believe Atom, when it releases in less than a few months, will probably seem like a very appealing apple to bite into given that it offers an end to end pub/sub system that ties all the little loose ends that still remain untied in RSS land. I consider the likes of Sam Ruby and Tim Bray et Al to be members of an elite group who have taken a very smart approach since day one, building sample apps in both C# and Java etc... to help propogate the idea that Atom is not about platforms but, in many senses the Agnostic-Platform if not the Anti-Platform his/her very self. While one could easily suggest that Sam was being Sam (that is being smart about things) and recognizing that you can't have a platform-nuetral specification without building support for all major platforms it still doesnt hurt the relationship by being extremely active and agnostic since day one (at least as far as I can tell or would even know where to look) One thing to add to this... Anyone who attended Chris Sells Applied XML DevCon this last October in which Tim Bray Keynoted and Sam Ruby gave a very depressing presentation on whats wrong with XML (at one point even showcasing a live MSDN site that was victim to make his point that the web is broken in all too many places -- problem was fixed in less than 2 hours :) he then did all he could to brighten things up by showcasing that Atom "Fixes all of this". One can imagine the ratio of MS to non-MS type folks at a SellsCon. You have to imagine this left an impression on each and every member of the audience -- an audience unlike your typical DevCon in which the attendees were not there to learn so much as to hash things out as to whats wrong and how to fix it -- this of course was because the audience consisted of the top developmnent engineers and decision from across the industry. With another page and half post that I swear every time "never again!" to write I will leave you with a link to some of Derek Denny-Brown's (I will assume everyone reading this doesnt need an intro into DDB...) comments regarding RDF in general which might further shed some light into the direction of "why not RDF" as it is my guess that the folks on Redmond campus tend to listen to what someone like Derek has to say... While I expect nothing less than a holy war to erupt from the above please forgive me if it takes a while to respond... Ive got a deadline to meet this morning :D  http://nothing-more.blogspot.com/2005/02/thinkn-aloud-about-rdf.html For fun, heres some pics from that very same DevCon... I highly recommend you attend this year if you can! > http://mdavid.name/m.david/pub/xml%2Ddevcon/  http://www.sellsbrothers.com/conference/ NOTE: This was last years line-up and follow-up blog postings. No doubt the new conference info should be soon avaialable. On 6/25/05, Danny Ayers <danny.ayers@g...> wrote: > Probably the most significant differences between the Userland 0.9x > fork and rss-dev's RSS 1.0 were that the former eschewed XML > namespaces and RDF support. > > I think it was around 2001 the <enclosure> element was added to the > Userland branch, allowing it to point to media files. This brought > back one of the capabilities that went with RDF, where a resource is a > resource, and you don't really need a new element when the mime type > changes. > > Then when RSS 2.0 came along, it included namespace support - no > namespace of its own, but namespaced elements could now be added. > > Yesterday Microsoft announced an extension  for RSS 2.0 that gives > support for the list data structure, something else that RSS/RDF has > been capable of for 5 years. > > Looks like a pattern's emerging... > > I was wondering if there were any other cases around where a spec > avoided using something like RDF on religious grounds, then later > crept back in exactly that direction. (Or if anyone knows whatever > happened to WinFS...) > > Cheers, > Danny. > >  http://msdn.microsoft.com/longhorn/understanding/rss/simplefeedextensions/ > > -- > > http://dannyayers.com > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > -- <M:D/> M. David Peterson http://www.xsltblog.com
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