Re: attribute order
On Sun, 2005-05-08 at 05:39 -0700, Mukul Gandhi wrote: > I wrote earlier that, I would like to imagine elements > as objects(as in OO programs) and attributes as > object's properties.. Is it right to think like this? It can be very dangerous thinking overall. I've seen numerous examples of poor XML design because of too literal a translation from OO concepts. Just for one example, see  for discussion of confusion that arises from the fact that most "object references" in XML are implicit. As for the specific question of XML versus attributes, I still think it's a weak approach. OO concerns such as identity and data typing which drive the matter in program modeling have poor natural correspondence in XML. I think you'd be fine with such an approach with trivial examples, but the elements/attributes choice is usually trivial, anyway, if the example is also trivial. > So attribute ordering will not be the right concept.. Well, not so quickly. In OO, object references aren't ordered, either (you need to use an explicit vector to get order), so element ordering wouldn't be the right concept, either, if one were being so literal. I think XML requires an entirely different mind-set from objects. > The dictionary defines attribute as quality, > characteristic, feature etc. An object's features > (i.e. attributes) are just features! Giving an order > to them does'nt seem right.. I also don't think this is fruitful territory. One could pick a dictionary definition of elements (e.g. the agents of weather) where order does matter, and one (e.g. the fundamental units of chemical compounds) where order does (at least in the sense of structuring in the periodic table). Again, I see nothing but misapprehension and confusion down this road. Just as it's dangerous to do relational modeling in an OO mind-set, and vice versa (part of the reason those two worlds have so stubbornly resisted merging ), it's dangerous to do XML modeling in either mind- set, and so on.  http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-contain.html  http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=8596 see also debate of  at http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=9090 -- Uche Ogbuji Fourthought, Inc. http://uche.ogbuji.net http://fourthought.com http://copia.ogbuji.net http://4Suite.org Use CSS to display XML, part 2 - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss2-i.html XML Output with 4Suite & Amara - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/04/20/py-xml.html Use XSLT to prepare XML for import into OpenOffice Calc - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-oocalc/ Schema standardization for top-down semantic transparency - http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think31.html
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