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RE: Jim Gray article on Next Generation Databases

  • To: 'Bob Foster' <bob@o...>
  • Subject: RE: Jim Gray article on Next Generation Databases
  • From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <len.bullard@i...>
  • Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 15:42:02 -0500
  • Cc: xml-dev@l...

bo bice lynard skynard
Right.  In the Kama Sutra, don't try the advanced positions 
until you master the simple ones.  If you are too old by the 
time you get to those, at least you had fun before you died.

Kay's point was that most innovations occur in smaller sets  
but that computer science en masse is a pop culture.  So 
exactly yes:  HTML made SGML successful, much to the chagrin 
of the HTMLers.  Bo Bice will make southern rock successful 
again much to the chagrin of the Allman Brothers and Lynard 
Skynard and they will all be happy to let him record their 
old material for his new albums.  Copyrights are wonderful 
when the means of distribution is tightly controlled. 

And I thank Intel every day for the extra money in my bank account 
because we won that lawsuit for their theft of our IP for pushing
their crappy instruction set through our design.  Sometimes, architectures 
do matter.  Patent them.

Yes, you would still be subscribed to comp.text.sgml and arguing 
about rellocs and having fun.

Kay said he didn't worry about it.  He is having fun.

len

From: Bob Foster [mailto:bob@o...]

Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> Alan Kay points out an interesting bit of data:  Moore's 
> Law gave us approximately a 40,000 to 60,000 increase 
> in processor speeds while CPU architecture only gave us 
> about a 50 increase therefore wasting about 1000% of Moore's 
> Law on expedient architectures.
> 
>
http://www.acmqueue.org/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=273&page=3

I think if Alan Kay tried that line of argument here - that one old 
Xerox benchmark isn't speeded up much means that hardware designers 
threw away a 1000x performance increase - he'd get the same treatment as 
those who have benchmarks that prove that XML parsing throws away 50x 
performance compared to binary XML. It is just as likely that the reason 
that old benchmark doesn't run faster is because it doesn't run an inner 
loop out of registers, or, even better, flow data through a pipeline. 
Moore's Law does not guarantee that random memory access speeds up in 
proportion to CPU speed. In other words, the bottleneck for the kinds of 
benchmark Kay is likely to be interested in - symbolic processing - is 
the Von Neumann architecture. The reason CPU designers don't build a 
better general-purpose architecture is, sure, expedience, but also they 
don't know how.

As to his choice of expediency as the primary reason why all progress is 
not forward, I'm reminded of the doctor who was nervous about 
prescribing antidepressants because their common side effects included 
the very symptoms they were supposed to treat. You could as well choose 
expediency as the reason any progress gets made at all. Automatic 
garbage collection sat on the shelf, in terms of mainstream computing, 
for over 40 years before Java won acceptance of it by the expedient of a 
syntax that looked a lot like C. Use of the := operator for assignment 
would probably have killed it.

Intel went merrily along building crappy little processors until it was 
threatened by RISC, whereupon it expediently adopted all the little 
design tricks RISC had and expediently threw silicon at the problem of 
mapping their crappy instruction set into a RISC pipeline with register 
mapping. By this means they decisively demonstrated that, in the long 
run, as long as you share the same meta-architecture, instruction set's 
got nothing to do with it.

SGML and its predecessors were the most successful text formats you 
never heard of for over 20 years before the expediency of HTML yanked it 
into the mainstream. Without HTML there would be no xml-dev, and if that 
ain't forward progress, I don't know what is. ;-}

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