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Where does the "nothing left but toolkits" myth come from?

• To: Michael Champion <michaelc.champion@g...>
• Subject: Where does the "nothing left but toolkits" myth come from?
• From: Uche Ogbuji <Uche.Ogbuji@f...>
• Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2005 08:47:32 -0700
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On Fri, 2005-02-04 at 22:59 -0500, Michael Champion wrote:
> I'm sure this is
> anathema on this list, but hand-authored XML is just not a mainstream
> use case anymore, and it's going to be harder and harder to make a
> business case for keeping around the stuff (half the productions, I'll
> guess?) that exist just to facilitate it.

You always seem to forget that you're not the only one whose job brings
them into contact with a lot of developers, and who has observed their
habits.  It just seems that I almost always observe opposite from yours.
In my experience, and a lot of my colleagues', hand-written XML by
average developers far outweighs toolkit-generated XML.  Not necessarily
in volume (obviously, since it's hard to hand-generate a gigabyte XML
file, but a toolkit can produce such a mess in minutes), but in
importance.  The hand-written XML tends to be far more important as
assets in the system than the toolkit-generated XML. 

If you insist on this "hand-written XML is obsolete" theory enough to
use it as a case for focusing XML 2.0 on toolkits, you're going to have
to come up with a lot of evidence to back up your dubious claim.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Use CSS to display XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/edu/x-dw-x-xmlcss-i.html
Introducing the Amara XML Toolkit - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/01/19/amara.html
Be humble, not imperial (in design) - http://www.adtmag.com/article.asp?id=10286
Querying WordNet as XML - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-think29.html
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Default and error handling in XSLT lookup tables - http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/xml/library/x-tiplook.html
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