Re: Why are XML crowds older?
I'm super interested in the RelaxNG presentation that caught your attention. Is that available online anywhere? A quick search turned up lots of relaxNG - John Cowan results (obviously) and I found his tutorials from conventions in past years but nothing that seemed to fit what you speak of. ----->Nathan On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:00:23 -0600, Bullard, Claude L (Len) <len.bullard@i...> wrote: > Because we aren't afraid to bully our managers? > > Possibly because as one person noted, XML is thought to > be only a syntax, therefore, what would an XML conference > be about? The older players in our business realize > that a lot of contacts are made, hallway business is > conducted, and one can survey how well some application > languages are doing or aren't. > > Older or not, this was the only time I've met most of these > people. Like my kids: had I known I would have started > earlier and had more. People made a fuss over me. Edd wrote that I > looked bemused. The right word is 'befuddled' and not just a > little terrified. > > It's my turn to comment. > > Some bits are intuition. I was fortunate to be seated at > a table next to Norm Walsh and Paul Cotton as they did some > TAG work over breakfast. The respect these two have for > each other is right up front. It showed in their work > and their conversation. Believe it or not, that single > serendipitous encounter gave me the confidence to say, > yeah, we can finally let go and push XML to the top of > the stack. Markup is just stuff; people of high quality > make all the difference, particularly when they show such > respect and take genuine pleasure in each other's company. > keep in mind, these guys work for competing companies. It > can be fun, it can be respectful, and it can still be > competitive. It comes down to individuals. As Tim Bray > called it: the markup tribe. > > I sat with Henry Thompson and talked futures. The man has > an enormous grasp of arts, science, history and philosophy. > I was pretty awed and he was very patient. > > Ed Dumbhill: solid class. It is so easy to be distainful, > and it's a lot of work to pay attention. Edd is an asset to > O'Reilly in ways they may or may not know. > > Simon St Laurent: will always be a credit to whatever he > works on. A good egg. Funny too and unafraid. Fearlessness > is a rare thing. > > Eve Maler: Wow. > > Tim Bray and Lauren Wood: the King and Queen. I am > deeply in their debt. They lead with smarts and heart > and real ethics. > > Michael Sperberg-McQueen: a bear of a man. A deeply joyful > guy who stays on the right side of the argument. > > Jelks Cabaniss: Friendly, caring, loves life. > > Priscilla Walmsley: calm rivers run deep. Smart. At ease. > > Michael Rys: patient with lesser mortals. I'm glad > he and Soumitra Sengupta are on the other end of the > chain that feeds me technology. > > Dan Connoly: a lover of good musical gear. This is > something we have in common. Serious dude. > > Then there are the technical ah ha moments. It was worth the price > of admission to watch Steve Pepper build the Topic Map > example with the Ontopia Omnigator. After years of > reading or hearing about topic maps, to watch > someone sit there and confidently model one from the > requirements of an attendee in real time, I understood it > better than all of the previous experiences combined. > > Then there was John Cowan's presentation of RelaxNG. It > was the clearest exposition of the advantages of it I've > been exposed to. John is incredibly intelligent and one > heckuva good friend when needed. > > There were many more. As I said in a previous email, > one cannot help but be impressed by the XML community. > Some people do business. Others have subtle understanding. > The leaders of XML can do magic. Wow. > > And that is what the younger crowd needs to see: leading > by example. It is waaay too easy on the web to become > bloodless or crusty. If there is to be a better world, > they kids have to see how the one they have is being made > better now. Employers do themselves a big favor exposing > their younger employees to the best in the business. > > len > >> When marketing and sales people come to XML shows, they often ask why >> it's an older crowd than what you see at, say, a Java show or a >> Microsoft show. >> >> Thinking of the people in the XML community whom I respect most, they >> seem to be on the older side too. >> >> Any thoughts on the demographics of XML, and how it differs from the >> demographics of Java or .NET? >> >> Jonathan > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > -- .:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:._.:||:.
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