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Re: Why are XML crowds older?

• To: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <len.bullard@i...>, xml-dev@l...
• Subject: Re: Why are XML crowds older?
• From: "Nathan Young" <natyoung@c...>
• Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 10:04:59 -0800
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I'm super interested in the RelaxNG presentation that caught your  
attention.  Is that available online anywhere? A quick search turned up  
lots of relaxNG - John Cowan results (obviously) and I found his tutorials  
 from conventions in past years but nothing that seemed to fit what you  
speak of.

----->Nathan



On Wed, 24 Nov 2004 11:00:23 -0600, Bullard, Claude L (Len)  
<len.bullard@i...> wrote:

> Because we aren't afraid to bully our managers?
>
> Possibly because as one person noted, XML is thought to
> be only a syntax, therefore, what would an XML conference
> be about?  The older players in our business realize
> that a lot of contacts are made, hallway business is
> conducted, and one can survey how well some application
> languages are doing or aren't.
>
> Older or not, this was the only time I've met most of these
> people.  Like my kids:  had I known I would have started
> earlier and had more.  People made a fuss over me.  Edd wrote that I
> looked bemused.  The right word is 'befuddled' and not just a
> little terrified.
>
> It's my turn to comment.
>
> Some bits are intuition.  I was fortunate to be seated at
> a table next to Norm Walsh and Paul Cotton as they did some
> TAG work over breakfast.  The respect these two have for
> each other is right up front.  It showed in their work
> and their conversation.  Believe it or not, that single
> serendipitous encounter gave me the confidence to say,
> yeah, we can finally let go and push XML to the top of
> the stack.  Markup is just stuff; people of high quality
> make all the difference, particularly when they show such
> respect and take genuine pleasure in each other's company.
> keep in mind, these guys work for competing companies. It
> can be fun, it can be respectful, and it can still be
> competitive.  It comes down to individuals.  As Tim Bray
> called it:  the markup tribe.
>
> I sat with Henry Thompson and talked futures. The man has
> an enormous grasp of arts, science, history and philosophy.
> I was pretty awed and he was very patient.
>
> Ed Dumbhill:  solid class.  It is so easy to be distainful,
> and it's a lot of work to pay attention.  Edd is an asset to
> O'Reilly in ways they may or may not know.
>
> Simon St Laurent: will always be a credit to whatever he
> works on.  A good egg.  Funny too and unafraid.  Fearlessness
> is a rare thing.
>
> Eve Maler:  Wow.
>
> Tim Bray and Lauren Wood: the King and Queen.  I am
> deeply in their debt.  They lead with smarts and heart
> and real ethics.
>
> Michael Sperberg-McQueen:  a bear of a man.  A deeply joyful
> guy who stays on the right side of the argument.
>
> Jelks Cabaniss:  Friendly, caring, loves life.
>
> Priscilla Walmsley:  calm rivers run deep. Smart.  At ease.
>
> Michael Rys:  patient with lesser mortals.  I'm glad
> he and Soumitra Sengupta are on the other end of the
> chain that feeds me technology.
>
> Dan Connoly:  a lover of good musical gear.  This is
> something we have in common.  Serious dude.
>
> Then there are the technical ah ha moments.  It was worth the price
> of admission to watch Steve Pepper build the Topic Map
> example with the Ontopia Omnigator.  After years of
> reading or hearing about topic maps, to watch
> someone sit there and confidently model one from the
> requirements of an attendee in real time, I understood it
> better than all of the previous experiences combined.
>
> Then there was John Cowan's presentation of RelaxNG.  It
> was the clearest exposition of the advantages of it I've
> been exposed to.  John is incredibly intelligent and one
> heckuva good friend when needed.
>
> There were many more.  As I said in a previous email,
> one cannot help but be impressed by the XML community.
> Some people do business.  Others have subtle understanding.
> The leaders of XML can do magic.  Wow.
>
> And that is what the younger crowd needs to see:  leading
> by example.  It is waaay too easy on the web to become
> bloodless or crusty.  If there is to be a better world,
> they kids have to see how the one they have is being made
> better now.  Employers do themselves a big favor exposing
> their younger employees to the best in the business.
>
> len
>
>> When marketing and sales people come to XML shows, they often ask why
>> it's an older crowd than what you see at, say, a Java show or a
>> Microsoft show.
>>
>> Thinking of the people in the XML community whom I respect most, they
>> seem to be on the older side too.
>>
>> Any thoughts on the demographics of XML, and how it differs from the
>> demographics of Java or .NET?
>>
>> Jonathan
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