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Re: Relax-NG schema design question

found forbidden pattern list ref
Hi David,

So, what should I make of the statement from the link I've quoted? It 
says: (http://books.xmlschemata.org/relaxng/ch17s02.html#id2877724)
List patterns cannot have any of these descendants: list, ref (because 
after simplification, access to elements is done using references to 
named patterns), attribute, or text. The interleave pattern is also 
forbidden as a descendant of list patterns because it would complicate 

Is this simply a factual error? It sounds to me, as if the validator 
wouldn't be required to check, what the ref actualy is after 
simplification. The mere fact, that it _could_ be illegal after 
simplification, seems to impose the constraint here.

The relax-ng spec does also mention 'list//ref' as being explicitly 
forbidden in 10.2.4

In my current understanding, waiting for simplification before deciding 
on an error makes sense; but is that just a practice used by some 
validators, or is this the behaviour defined by the specification?

Thanks for your help...

David Tolpin wrote:
> Hi Lars,
> It's a bug in xmllint. The restriction you mention must be applied
> after simplification; in the simplified form the values are substituted
> into the list, and there are no references.
> The restriction basically means that elements cannot be inside
> lists.
> David
>>Only the fact, that xmllint reported "element ref: Relax-NG parser 
>>error: Found forbidden pattern list//ref" made us aware of the fact, 
>>that relax-ng in fact constraints the use of refs in lists. 

Lars Oppermann <lars.oppermann@s...>               Sun Microsystems
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