RE: Hostility to "binary XML" (was Re: XML 20 04 web
It is becoming a value proposition with a scaling effect. We tend to fear changing XML because it touches so much of the infrastructure, yet one can turn that on its head and say that improvements here could pay back handsomely for the same reason. Tim Bray made an excellent point in his closing keynote when he compared it to AWT and Swing: if the tech needs improving, just do it. Have the fortitude to step up to the task. That's not aimed at any person here, past of present. I just am not persuaded that the SGML connections are buying us a lot that we need, and the compatibility issues do seem to stand in the way of easier progress. Sorry you weren't there, Liam. It was a rather good party for geeksLikeUs. I hope to do it again. No one ever looks like their mail. Thank goodness... len -----Original Message----- From: 'Liam Quin' [mailto:liam@w...] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 4:03 PM To: Bullard, Claude L (Len) Cc: xml-dev@l... Subject: Re: Hostility to "binary XML" (was Re: XML 20 04 weblog items?) On Mon, Nov 22, 2004 at 03:50:42PM -0600, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > Would this situation improve if an effort to create a binary > were prepositioned by an effort to improve/simplify XML? It would make no sense to me to start work on a new format for interchanging XML without at least asking this question, and in particulay asking it of people who are not currently using XML as well as those who are. "XML would let us do XX but YYY" is always interesting to hear. Of course, there's usually the reply "but actually, ZZZ" and sometimes this is sufficient. So yes, I think we (W3C, publishers of XML) should consider working with the wider XML community, and also with some of the communities represented for example on the Binary WG, who are currently on the fringes of the XML world and would like to move closer under the warm blanket of XML love, and consider further simplifications. Whether that means abandoning SGML itself I don't know either way right now. > PS: Top Impression of XML 2004: I'm sorry I wasn't at the conference now - I haven't caught up with you for years. Liam -- Liam Quin, W3C XML Activity Lead, http://www.w3.org/People/Quin/ http://www.holoweb.net/~liam/ barefoot on the Web
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