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Re: BEEP || SOAP?

• To: Chiusano Joseph <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Subject: Re: BEEP || SOAP?
• From: Betty Harvey <harvey@e...>
• Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 10:23:39 -0400 (EDT)
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: <4124B1A7.E92F2D00@b...>

Joe:

Here is the link to the archives for July, 2003.

http://eccnet.eccnet.com/pipermail/dc-xmlusers/2003-July/thread.html

Betty

On Thu, 19 Aug 2004, Chiusano Joseph wrote:

> Below I've copy/pasted some e-mails from a BEEP thread from July 2003,
> on the Washington DC XML Users Group listserv (the listserv may have
> archives, but I could not see an archives link from the site). It's an
> e-mail from me summarizing BEEP, in response to another e-mail below
> that that provided some excellent information. I reference a
> SOAP-over-BEEP spec, which helps answer your main question.
> 
> This information was current as of then - but I'm not certain that it
> still is. Hope it helps.
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz Allen Hamilton
> Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World
> 
> <EMails>
> Subject: Re: [DC-XMLUsers] XML Insanity
> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2003 20:35:26 -0400
> From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
> Organization: BAH
> To: Walter Houser <houser@c...>
> CC: Xmlusers <dc-xmlusers@e...>
> 
> Additional information on BEEP (adding to the excellent information
> below):
> 
> - BEEP (Blocks Extensible Exchange Protocol [1]) is a
> connection-oriented, channel-based peer-to-peer (P2P) message exchange
> protocol;
> 
> - Its most common transport is TCP [2]
> 
> - While HTTP exists at the Application layer (of the OSI protocol
> stack), BEEP exists at a lower layer. Some say that it exists at the
> Presentation layer (just below the Application layer), while others say
> it exists at the Session layer (2 layers below the Application layer).
> 
> - All BEEP messages exchanges occur in the context of a "channel" that
> has an associated "profile" that defines the syntax and semantics of the
> messages exchanged;
> 
> - BEEP allows multiple channels* to be in use simultaneously over a
> single transport stream (a "multiplexing" capability); this can be seen
> as an advantage over HTTP
> 
> - There is a SOAP-over-BEEP specification [3]
> 
> - BEEP implementations and projects can be found at [4]
> 
> * According to RFC 2080, a BEEP peer should support at least 257
> concurrent channels
> 
> [1] http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3080.txt
> [2] http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3081.html
> [3] http://rfc-3288.rfc-index.com/
> [4] http://www.beepcore.org/beepcore/projects.jsp
> 
> Kind Regards,
> Joe Chiusano
> Booz | Allen | Hamilton
> 
> Walter Houser wrote:
> >
> > BEEP (aka BXXP) is correctly shown as a web services protocol analogous to
> > SOAP. BEEP was developed by Marshall Rose under the auspices of the IETF.
> > http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/home.jsp
> >
> > "Q. What's difference between SOAP and BEEP?
> >
> > "A. Briefly, SOAP = XML + RPC + HTTP. Less briefly, SOAP is an RPC
> mechanism
> > that uses XML for encoding and prefers HTTP for transport. BEEP is a
> > framework for writing application protocols that are message-oriented,
> which
> > may, or may not, use XML.
> > RPC-based applications tend to be tightly coupled; message-oriented
> > applications tend to be loosely coupled. There's a spectrum there, but the
> > edges are pretty sharp, c.f., Section 2 of
> > http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/docs/beep-design.jsp#anchor2  However, the
> real
> > question to ask is whether it makes sense to define a BEEP profile that
> does
> > SOAP. http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/docs/beep-soap.jsp Outside of the
> > increase in performance and reliability, you probably wouldn't notice the
> > difference.  From http://www.bxxp.org/beepcore/about_qanda.jsp
> >
> > Thanks, Walt Houser
> </EMails>
> 
> bry@i... wrote:
> > 
> > I haven't looked at BEEP in a long time, I just dropped by there and saw the
> > number of implementations had grown quite a bit
> > http://www.beepcore.org/prodproj.html , any opinions as to where BEEP stands in
> > relation to the web services stack, given that BEEP is for protocol construction
> > and SOAP can be argued to be for protocol construction; if REST is better for
> > 80% of what SOAP is used for, what percentage of the remaining 20% could beep be
> > considered better for. In other words I have an axe, and am looking for good
> > grinding tools.
> > 
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