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 Bob Wyman wrote: > > The list omits WS-Events and WS-Eventing which are "competitors" > to WS-Notification. (Note: I think WS-Eventing may have been dropped, but > WS-Events still appears to live.) Actually WS-Eventing is new and very much alive [1]. WS-Events was submitted to the OASIS WSDM TC at some point, but I'm not privy to the details beyond that (I'm not a member of the WSDM TC). [1] http://xml.coverpages.org/ni2004-01-07-a.html > The whole Web Services space is one that is based more on hope > than any real evidence of success. There are dozens of companies that have > invested heavily in this space and thousands of individuals who have tied > their hopes to the idea of Web Services. The mere fact that nothing useful > seems to be coming out of the expenditure of all this energy doesn't seem > to have dimmed the desire to make it happen. Please support your argument with concrete examples, for our benefit. > But, the basic ideas behind Web Services are really great! > Distributed applications are, in fact, a really wonderful idea. They were > back when we first started implementing them seriously back in the early > 80's and they still are today. The idea of having standard interchange > formats and describing your interfaces with formal definition languages > like WSDL is also a good one that has been well proven over time. ASN.1, > CORBA IDL, many RPC interfaces, XML, and, of course, lots of IETF and ISO > standards have validated these ideas. We should also be particularly > supportive of the attention that the WS-* folk give to reuse of standards. > The mere fact that they seem to insist on defining new standards before > they are willing to reuse them Please cite specific cases of this. > should not take away from our appreciation > of their appreciation of reuse as a concept. > > Finally, it should be noted that the really great thing about the > WS space is that it is *really* easy to put together a working group and > get your very own personal WS-* specification written and announced as a > standard. The traditional standards forums (ISO, IETF, etc.) are much more > difficult to work through and result in much greater sharing of the credit > than is typical of the groups that get WS-* stuff written up. The other > thing that is nice about WS-* stuff is that since there aren't many > working examples of the stuff Respectfully disagree. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano Booz | Allen | Hamilton Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > it is really easy to present one's self as > an "expert" without having to deal with the embarrasment of failed or > competitive implementations. (If a standard is never deployed, noone can > *really* say if it is any good...) All of these factors and others tend to > produce an environment which is very attractive to individuals and > companies who seek to feel like they are leaders on the bleeding edge. > There are few areas in our business today that can offer so much personal > reward and so much press coverage in return for so little useful output. > > bob wyman > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Bray [mailto:tbray@t...] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:04 PM > To: xml-dev@l... DEV > Subject: WS-Emperor naked? > > Would anyone here like to argue that the list found in > > http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble > > is coherent, or sensible, or viable, or generally that the parrot is > not dead? > > -Tim -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton 
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