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 Rex Brooks wrote: > > As a voice from inside WSRP, not only is the parrot decidedly not > dead, it's been a very busy little bird, hatching out a bevy of baby > birdies. You have the problem right, tho, there are too many of those > little birdies, and that makes for an awful lot of droppings, but a > shakeout is inevitable. > > Also many several of those wannabe standards happen to work with and > complement each other. WSS which just passed its vote to become a > standard, Actually it did not - there was one negative comment from an OASIS member, which means that the TC has 30 days to decide its approach per the OASIS process. *One* possible outcome is that the spec becomes an OASIS standard. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano Booz | Allen | Hamilton Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > is one of those which is meant to work with the others, but > it does have one no vote that has to now be addressed, but it is one > of the few of those listed besides WSRP that actually HAS done passed > that hurdle.So while it may be too easy to start a TC, it certainly > is anything but easy to get a draft passed as a standard. And that's > after the internal battles, and every one I have participated in (3), > has had its share and then some of those battles... > > That approval process for OASIS happens to require both an IPR test > and the test of having three OASIS member companies at least (and > usually it is six or more) publicly vouch that they have used it > successfully. Most of those haven't finished the initial work-up and > approval of requirements, let alone had several iteration drafts > tested and tweaked, and are nothing more than trial balloons, which > will, hopefully, drift away in the wind. Undoubtedly some potentially > valuable ones will drift away and some quite horrible ones won't, but > that's the way the word. BTW a standard is not a standard unless it > gets used. > > Most of the OASIS WS do not actually compete, and I expect some to > be combined, as WSRP ended up combining two predecessors into one TC > and standard. It took 18 months to get to the point where the first > draft could be put up for a public review. So there is a lot of real > work that goes into it. > > Don't be too quick to throw out the bathwater. One of the babies in > there might be worth keeping. > > It's tedious, I know. And I can think of bunches of things I would > much rather do, but the alternatives tend to be even less desireable. > > Ciao, > Rex > > At 3:33 PM -0500 4/2/04, David Megginson wrote: > >Jim Rankin wrote: > > > >> Would anyone here like to argue that the list found in > >> > >> http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2004/04/01/WS-Mumble > >> > >> is coherent, or sensible, or viable, or generally that the parrot is > >> not dead? > >> > >>I wish that we could just look at the "Updated:" date on your post > >>and categorize this with some of the other things posted > >>yesterday... > > > >I wish I'd read those other things, but I did go and look at Tim's > >blog. Ouch. It's bizarre seeing all of those WS-* specs out there, > >when we haven't even had a chance to gain much real experience using > >SOAP at the basic RPC level. The WS-Parrot is not dead per se: it > >was never given a chance to hatch. > > > > > >All the best, > > > > > >David > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------- > >The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > >initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > > >The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > > >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > >manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> > > -- > Rex Brooks > GeoAddress: 1361-A Addison, Berkeley, CA, 94702 USA, Earth > W3Address: http://www.starbourne.com > Email: rexb@s... > Tel: 510-849-2309 > Fax: By Request > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton 
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