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Re: You call that a standard?

• To: Michael Champion <mc@x...>
• Subject: Re: You call that a standard?
• From: "Chiusano Joseph" <chiusano_joseph@b...>
• Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:53:45 -0400
• Cc: xml-dev <xml-dev@l...>
• Organization: Booz Allen Hamilton
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Michael Champion wrote:
> 
> On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote:
> 
> > You like the credit for being the
> > "co-inventor of XML" but don't accept any role in the damage done by
> > the
> > gutting of ISO and the norms of standardization that stood
> > in your way.
> 
>   I wasn't around back then, but AFAIK, ISO committed seppuku as far as
> "SGML for the Web" is concerned; Tim (Bray and/or Berners-Lee) didn't
> gut it.  :-)
> 
> >  "As the twig is bent...", Tim.  One has to
> > take the long view or short term gains in technical
> > specification turn into big losses in cultural cooperation.
> > Internet time is bullsh*t.
> 
> It seems to me that one has to take the long AND the short view.  Joint
> R&D is a Good Thing; Recommendations about what appears to actually
> work and would work better if the relatively small differences were
> smoothed out are a Good Thing; and real honest International Standards
> are a Good Thing, but they should not be promulgated until the
> underlying specs have matured.
> 
> So in my very humble opinion:
> 
> -- IBEASoft should be more honest that what they are doing with the
> WS-* specs are joint R&D projects, and should correct journalists who
> call them "standards" or "recommendations" (except in the sense that
> their marketing departments "recommend" the products built around
> them).

At the OASIS Symposium this past week, Chris Ferris of IBM gave a
presentation comparing WS-ReliableMessaging (which I refer to as a
"vendor specification" in my various talks) to OASIS WS-Reliability. I
won't provide specific comments here - rather, I'll let the following
e-mail from the OASIS WSRM TC to the OASIS TAB (Technical Advisory
Board) speak for itself:

http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00086.html

My understanding of the outcome will be a response by the WSRM TC posted
to the OASIS Symposium Web site.

Kind Regards,
Joe Chiusano
Booz | Allen | Hamilton
Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World

> -- W3C and OASIS should likewise avoid calling what they do 'standards'
> -- they are consortium recommendations, hopefully based on an analysis
> of best practice and applied theory.  (The Design by Committee stuff
> like WXS or XQuery is pretty much equivalent to the joint R&D projects
> as far as I'm concerned, and should have some designation other than
> Recommendation until best practice is clear).
> 
> -- The "real" standards organizations such as ISO, ITU, and CEFACT
> should focus on sweeping up after the parade, and not pursuing pet
> projects of key participants  or pursuing essentially political goals .
> 
> In other words, there is plenty of credit and blame to go around for
> the current state of affairs, there's been a lot of innovation but no
> organization or consortium has done all that great a job of following
> their own guidelines, and plenty of soul searching by a lot of people
> (not just stupid journalists) is needed to improve it.
> 
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-- 
Kind Regards,
Joseph Chiusano
Associate
Booz | Allen | Hamilton

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    • From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
  • Re: You call that a standard?
    • From: Michael Champion <mc@x...>

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