Re: You call that a standard?
Michael Champion wrote: > > On Apr 29, 2004, at 9:39 AM, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > > > You like the credit for being the > > "co-inventor of XML" but don't accept any role in the damage done by > > the > > gutting of ISO and the norms of standardization that stood > > in your way. > > I wasn't around back then, but AFAIK, ISO committed seppuku as far as > "SGML for the Web" is concerned; Tim (Bray and/or Berners-Lee) didn't > gut it. :-) > > > "As the twig is bent...", Tim. One has to > > take the long view or short term gains in technical > > specification turn into big losses in cultural cooperation. > > Internet time is bullsh*t. > > It seems to me that one has to take the long AND the short view. Joint > R&D is a Good Thing; Recommendations about what appears to actually > work and would work better if the relatively small differences were > smoothed out are a Good Thing; and real honest International Standards > are a Good Thing, but they should not be promulgated until the > underlying specs have matured. > > So in my very humble opinion: > > -- IBEASoft should be more honest that what they are doing with the > WS-* specs are joint R&D projects, and should correct journalists who > call them "standards" or "recommendations" (except in the sense that > their marketing departments "recommend" the products built around > them). At the OASIS Symposium this past week, Chris Ferris of IBM gave a presentation comparing WS-ReliableMessaging (which I refer to as a "vendor specification" in my various talks) to OASIS WS-Reliability. I won't provide specific comments here - rather, I'll let the following e-mail from the OASIS WSRM TC to the OASIS TAB (Technical Advisory Board) speak for itself: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/wsrm/200404/msg00086.html My understanding of the outcome will be a response by the WSRM TC posted to the OASIS Symposium Web site. Kind Regards, Joe Chiusano Booz | Allen | Hamilton Strategy and Technology Consultants to the World > -- W3C and OASIS should likewise avoid calling what they do 'standards' > -- they are consortium recommendations, hopefully based on an analysis > of best practice and applied theory. (The Design by Committee stuff > like WXS or XQuery is pretty much equivalent to the joint R&D projects > as far as I'm concerned, and should have some designation other than > Recommendation until best practice is clear). > > -- The "real" standards organizations such as ISO, ITU, and CEFACT > should focus on sweeping up after the parade, and not pursuing pet > projects of key participants or pursuing essentially political goals . > > In other words, there is plenty of credit and blame to go around for > the current state of affairs, there's been a lot of innovation but no > organization or consortium has done all that great a job of following > their own guidelines, and plenty of soul searching by a lot of people > (not just stupid journalists) is needed to improve it. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the subscription > manager: <http://www.oasis-open.org/mlmanage/index.php> -- Kind Regards, Joseph Chiusano Associate Booz | Allen | Hamilton
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