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RE: best practice for providing newsfeeds ?
Title: RE: [xml-dev] best practice for providing newsfeeds ?
I am willing to be proven wrong, but I don’t
see any evidence that any normal aggregator users are asking for a checkbox in
their aggregator that distinguishes between “new” and “updated”.
Does anyone have feature requests they can use to back up the claim?
Furthermore, I highly doubt that a user
would care how this functionality was implemented, so long as it works. I
believe it’s a false assumption to say that additional feed metadata
would be the only or the best way to implement this functionality. In-document
versioning is almost always a bad idea. We agree that content producers
will produce crappy feeds anyway, so in-document versioning is just one more
thing for them to screw up. Why would people push this, when there are
other ways to accomplish the end-user demand (if such demand even exists)?
Sorry, but this totally sounds like the
cart pulling the horse.
From: Dare Obasanjo
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004
10:35 AM
To: Joshua Allen; bob@wyman.us; 'Michael Champion'; 'XML DEV'
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] best
practice for providing newsfeeds ?
Again I disagree. Content producers don't
care how crappy the feeds they generate are as long as their HTML page is fine.
It is content consumers (i.e. users of news aggregators) that clamor for this
functionality. This is the duality of the syndication debate which much to my
chagrin is always balanced towards what is easiest for content producers to do
as opposed to what provides most value to content consumers.
Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth, minus
40% inheritance tax.
From: Joshua Allen
Sent: Tue 2/3/2004 10:31 AM
To: Dare Obasanjo; bob@wyman.us; 'Michael Champion'; 'XML DEV'
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] best
practice for providing newsfeeds ?
By people I meant tools. I get a few
hundred posts a day that show up as “new” when they are old, simply
because people have crummy tools that reset the pubDate on *all* posts to be whatever date the feed
gets updated. I also am pretty sure that these people have no idea that
their tools are doing this, and don’t lose any sleep over it. In
other words, normal people don’t care about what date gets inserted, and
only the techies argue about it. I don’t believe that the call for
multiple date fields is being driven by significant end-user demand. I
think that’s total bull.
From: Dare Obasanjo
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004
9:13 AM
To: Joshua Allen; bob@wyman.us; 'Michael Champion'; 'XML DEV'
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] best
practice for providing newsfeeds ?
I disagree. Most tools insert this
date automatically. I'd be very suspicious of a tool that allowed users to
directly edit the posting date of an entry, let alone edit the original +
posting date. I agree with Bob that having a published + updated date would be
useful.
Blessed are the meek for they shall inherit the Earth, minus
40% inheritance tax.
From: Joshua Allen
Sent: Tue 2/3/2004 9:02 AM
To: bob@wyman.us; Dare Obasanjo; 'Michael Champion'; 'XML DEV'
Subject: RE: [xml-dev] best
practice for providing newsfeeds ?
> date
that it was last modified. So, users get entries that appear to
> be "old" even when
they are "new." This confuses them. The issue here
> has *nothing* to do with data
format -- it is a question of semantics,
My
experience shows exactly the opposite; people report "new" when
actually a post is old. But in any case, I fail to see how adding another
field will stop people from putting the wrong dates in those fields -- the
semantics of "pubDate" are remarkably clear, and people still screw
it up. I would bet that in 99% of cases, people screw it up because they
don't know better, NOT because "pubDate is the only field available and I
really, really, want to store the last-update date in the field".
Solving
user ignorance by adding more features is not very smart.
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