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Re: Formalism and complexity

• To: Mike Champion <mc@x...>
• Subject: Re: Formalism and complexity
• From: Ian Graham <igraham@i...>
• Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2004 23:02:18 -0500 (EST)
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: <20040106044011.52839.qmail@w...>
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• Reply-to: Ian Graham <ian.graham@u...>

On Mon, 5 Jan 2004, Mike Champion wrote:

> --- Ian Graham <igraham@i...> wrote:
>
> > I'm merely pointing out that
....

> I don't think that's off-topic.  My original point was
> that there are two different but partially compatible
> ways of dealing with the complexity:
>
> - Simplify the specs to the point where 'doing things
> right' is possible because things really are
> consistent.
>
> -  Just Deal With It by extensive testing, compilation
> and evaluation of best practices, i.e. 'teaching them
> to think.'
>
> It's interesting that lots of people and vendors want
> to make it look like 'doing things right' is a matter
> of using the right tool or following the right
> methodology.  The inappropriateness of trying to stuff
> the web services stuff into a distributed object
> straitjacket is now apparent to almost everyone, even
> though that appeared to be the 'right thing' given the
> OO mindset of a few years ago.

So true -- and the latter is precisely what what I'm
seeing -- but put far  more clearly that in my roundabout
note.

So instead of an OO mindset we need an 'XO' mindset (not to be
confused, of course, with vintage cognac).

Ian

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