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• Subject: RE: reaching humans (was Re: Extract A Subset of a W3C XML Schema?)
• From: "Allen Razdow" <arazdow@m...>
• Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 20:01:22 -0400
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• Thread-topic: reaching humans (was Re: Extract A Subset of a W3C XML Schema?)

I'm moved to point out that like many useful things, XML is a compromise
of many principles.  UNIX declared that data should be ASCII ruled by
LR(1) grammars, and processed by piped C programs built with
Yacc+Lex...and that was very useful.  In contrast, XML represents data
as annotated trees in a standard syntax ruled by Schemas, and processed
by services made from JAVA/XSL/SAX/DOM/SCRIPT....and that's very useful
too, maybe more useable and more useful than UNIX/PWB ever was.  I
believe that's the main thing.

-allen

-----Original Message-----
From: james anderson [mailto:james.anderson@s...] 
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 7:44 PM
To: xml-dev@l...


who is arguing to throw anything away? i'm asking whether an authority
is
going to be able to depend on documents in which its data depends on
someone
elses. i'm asking, what belongs where?

and suggesting that, whether one admits it or not, insisting on the
blanket
redundancy is the equivalent of sitting in front of a pile of fan-fold
with a
very blunt pencil. a very large pile.

"Simon St.Laurent" wrote:
> 
> james.anderson@s... (james anderson) writes:
> >on the other hand, i can't put my finger on the last time i seriously
> >tried to interpret a stack trace without a symbol table. or rather
> >without some machine doing the interpretation for me. and even in the
> >days when i had to, it never would have occurred to me to expect to
> >find my comments in the machine code.
> 
> I think markup's a completely different kind of toolset, with virtues
> you don't appear to value.
> 
> Markup is capable of reaching people who'll never need or want to go
> anywhere near a stack trace.  It's built that way explicitly, at a
> pretty high cost.  Throwing away those features while working with XML
> seems perverse at best.
>

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