Re: XML-dev futures discussion
> It's probably also true that OASIS' listserv is a little too aggressive > in unsubscribing bouncers. Some mechanism for keeping track of bounces > would help diagnosing that. Without proof of such it's essentially insulting them. Please, they've GIVEN this service. Let's /prove/ whether or not they've been derelict before jumping to conclusions. > Not sure about this tho' ... something like Yahoo's bounce history page > would be vastly preferable to cluttering up the list with admin > messages. I'm not saying clutter the list. Put it on either another list or a world-readable text file. Nothing works wonders like having visible logs. Seeing that you're not at fault while also having others see you might be at fault works wonders in encouraging /everyone/ to get their act together. > That's possible ... but it does seem as tho' the problems affect some > people disproportionately. It'd be a bit odd (tho' I guess not > impossible) for an outbound issue to discriminate against particular > people. No, it's very possible. Routing. If the ISP from the list server has issues with routing to other networks this would certainly give the appearance of individual bias. There's enough spread that either situation could be the case. Though, without proof we're just pulling it out of, well, the ether. > > So it seems like the best course of action is to really find out > > /why/ the OASIS list has been dropping folks and get that FIXED > > first. If it can't be fixed, after honest efforts are applied, then > > moving is the only sound course of action. > > Spot on ... The point of "honest efforts" goes both ways. If they 'fess up with a mea culpa (as it appears) and people here don't jump down their throats, there's as good a chance as any that this can all be fixed. I mean, after all, this list has people with considerable experience in dealing with networking issues. But if the list members act like jackasses about it then what impression is that going to give to the /next/ victim that's dumb enough to host the list? (I'm not making accusations as I'm just as likely to fall into the jackass category as anyone else). List social dynamics are a huge pain in the ass. The thought of some of the pedants that mercilessly flog the permathreads being in charge is unpleasant, to say the least. Just look at what "attitude" about list management has done to things like BSD and countless others. Can't say we'd benefit from that sort of crap here. So fixing it seems the least of all evils. -Bill Kearney
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