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RE: FW: Tim Bray "Let's Move XML-DEV"

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  • Subject: RE: FW: Tim Bray "Let's Move XML-DEV"
  • From: Karl Best <karl.best@o...>
  • Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:57:59 -0500
  • Organization: OASIS
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RE:  FW: Tim Bray "Let's Move XML-DEV"
XML Dev-ers:

A couple of points relating to this recent thread:

1. Why don't people notify OASIS when there is a problem? It's hard to 
fix problems promptly when the first we hear about them is second or 
third hand. I've got other things to do with my day (like watching over 
my 50+ TCs) without having to monitor the xml-dev list to make sure that 
it's running. We do keep an eye on things, but it would be much more 
efficient if you would just come to us if there is a problem. We do 
follow up on these.

2. OASIS has been hosting this list for the past three years as a 
benefit to the industry, but has derived no revenue to compensate for 
the expense of running the list. This is quite an expensive list to 
maintain, given the number of subscribers and the amount of traffic on a 
daily basis, to say nothing of maintaining several years' worth of 

OASIS is funded by membership dues, which requires that our technical 
activies are restricted to our members. We also gain some additional 
funds from membership sponsorship of our Cover Pages and XML.org 
information portals, which goes to funding those portals. So our members 
are paying for this list which is open to the public. Yes, we could put 
additional resources into running the list, but that would take 
resources away from providing our members the services that they are 
paying for.

So while we all recognize that the xml-dev list is a valuable industry 
resource I think that you're expecting a bit much when you demand that 
we monitor the list closely (since you won't tell us about problems) and 
drop everything else we're doing to fix things. Yes, xml-dev is a low 
priority for us -- but what else could you reasonably expect?

One possible solution is for us to start selling sponsorships for the 
list. I expect that this would require that we put banner ads etc. in 
each message; would that be acceptable to you? Or, perhaps one or more 
of your companies could give money to OASIS to support the list without 
the requirement for such ads. But I expect that each of your companies 
is going to want something in return for their sponsorship. (And please 
note that OASIS is also a business, and we've been sponsoring the list 
for three years without any return. Would any of your companies be 
willing to do this?)

I recall having sent almost identical messages to this list a couple of 
times a year over the past three years, obviously to no effect. If 
someone would like to start up a new list elsewhere I can't stop you, 
and at this point I won't try to disuade you either.


Karl F. Best
Vice President, OASIS
office  +1 978.667.5115 x206     mobile +1 978.761.1648
karl.best@o...      http://www.oasis-open.org


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