RE: FW: Tim Bray "Let's Move XML-DEV"
XML Dev-ers: A couple of points relating to this recent thread: 1. Why don't people notify OASIS when there is a problem? It's hard to fix problems promptly when the first we hear about them is second or third hand. I've got other things to do with my day (like watching over my 50+ TCs) without having to monitor the xml-dev list to make sure that it's running. We do keep an eye on things, but it would be much more efficient if you would just come to us if there is a problem. We do follow up on these. 2. OASIS has been hosting this list for the past three years as a benefit to the industry, but has derived no revenue to compensate for the expense of running the list. This is quite an expensive list to maintain, given the number of subscribers and the amount of traffic on a daily basis, to say nothing of maintaining several years' worth of archives. OASIS is funded by membership dues, which requires that our technical activies are restricted to our members. We also gain some additional funds from membership sponsorship of our Cover Pages and XML.org information portals, which goes to funding those portals. So our members are paying for this list which is open to the public. Yes, we could put additional resources into running the list, but that would take resources away from providing our members the services that they are paying for. So while we all recognize that the xml-dev list is a valuable industry resource I think that you're expecting a bit much when you demand that we monitor the list closely (since you won't tell us about problems) and drop everything else we're doing to fix things. Yes, xml-dev is a low priority for us -- but what else could you reasonably expect? One possible solution is for us to start selling sponsorships for the list. I expect that this would require that we put banner ads etc. in each message; would that be acceptable to you? Or, perhaps one or more of your companies could give money to OASIS to support the list without the requirement for such ads. But I expect that each of your companies is going to want something in return for their sponsorship. (And please note that OASIS is also a business, and we've been sponsoring the list for three years without any return. Would any of your companies be willing to do this?) I recall having sent almost identical messages to this list a couple of times a year over the past three years, obviously to no effect. If someone would like to start up a new list elsewhere I can't stop you, and at this point I won't try to disuade you either. -Karl ================================================================= Karl F. Best Vice President, OASIS office +1 978.667.5115 x206 mobile +1 978.761.1648 karl.best@o... http://www.oasis-open.org
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