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Re: ANN: Open XPath NG mailing list

• To: AndrewWatt2000@a...
• Subject: Re: ANN: Open XPath NG mailing list
• From: Uche Ogbuji <uche.ogbuji@f...>
• Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 08:07:49 -0700
• Cc: xml-dev@l...
• In-reply-to: Message from AndrewWatt2000@a... of "Thu, 21 Nov 2002 09:35:04 EST." <44.29a7292a.2b0e4918@a...>
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> > > > """
> > > > Some of us who do not like XPath and XSLT 2.0 are earnestly trying 
> > > > to get work going on XPath NG.
> > > > """
> > > 
> 
> Uchi,
> 
> I think you may have meant to write, "Some of us who like XPath 1.0 but do 
> not like XPath 2.0 ...". 

Eeeek.  Yes.  That's precisely what I meant.  Thanks.  XPath 1.0 rocks.


> Personally, for what little my $0.02 is worth, I think XPath NG would be an 
> excellent name IF there is a proposal / specification to name at some future 
> date. I am comfortable with XPath NG as a working title for what is being 
> considered.
> 
> The "NG" has close parallels with RELAX NG. And the XML community is pretty 
> clear that that is not supported by or emanating from W3C.
> 
> I don't think that "XPath NG", if it ever exists, is likely to cause real 
> confusion.

Strongly agreed.  Frankly, I'm very surprised at Mike Kay's objection.  
Perhaps it was born of my typo (i.e. suggesting that we'd be ditching XPath 
1.0 as well)?


> In passing I would point out that the W3C IPR page at 
> http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/ipr-notice-20000612#W3C_Trademarks seems 
> to make no claim for any rights over the word/term XPath.
> 
> A great many people in the XML community outside W3C make contributions to 
> the W3C specifications. If W3C were to take a position that it is sole 
> arbiter on all issues relating to such specifications and any technologies 
> which might compete with them then the rules of the game have changed for the 
> worse.

Thanks for having this look.  Really, I can't imagine the W3C using a 
trademark cudgel in such a case as we're proposing.  They rightly didn't go 
after us when we created EXSLT, nor did they  go after the JDOM folks.  As far 
as I know, the FixPtr group are not in jeopardy, nor is Tim Bray for creating 
XML-SW.


-- 
Uche Ogbuji                                    Fourthought, Inc.
http://uche.ogbuji.net    http://4Suite.org    http://fourthought.com
Python&XML column: 2. Introducing PyXML - http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2002/09/25/p
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The Past, Present and Future of Web Services 1 - http://www.webservices.org/ind
ex.php/article/articleview/663/1/24/
The Past, Present and Future of Web Services 2 - 'http://www.webservices.org/in
dex.php/article/articleview/679/1/24/
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Tip: Using generators for XML processing - http://www-106.ibm.com/developerwork
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