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• To: Mike Champion <mc@x...>
• Subject: Re: Acrobat SVG and Flash - comparisions? (was Re: What are the arguments *for* XHTML 2.0?)
• From: Robin Berjon <robin.berjon@e...>
• Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2002 11:21:21 +0100
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• Organization: Expway
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Mike Champion wrote:
 > So, again as a practical matter in today's environment, what can one do in
 > SVG (as supported in recent Acrobat Readers) that would offer a "rich client"
 > experience -- nice looking UI, client-side assistance/validation, the hokey
 > animated effects that I personally hate but Joe Consumer apparently likes ...
 > along with the ability to produce and consume XML content.

Yes, all that and more. Basically you can limit your round-tripping to the 
server to the minimum that is truly necessary. The experience is a lot smoother.

 > Now for the less
 > hopeful question: what tools exist that would allow non-geeks to develop such
 > content in SVG?

If you have a look at http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/SVG-Implementations.htm8, 
you'll see there are quite a lot of authoring tools with SVG support. Of those 
that are listed as having "SVG export", some have pretty powerful exporting, 
including animation.

The list on that page isn't really complete, some other people here pointed to 
other nice end-user tools. It's a pity Adobe isn't pushing LiveMotion further, 
even as a Flash authoring tool it was far superior in interface to Flash. It 
would have made a wonderful SVG creation tool.

 > (I think we could probably agree that Flash MX more or less
 > defines the state of the art?)

Flash MX is better than what existed before, but quite honestly the day when 
we'l hear that MM is good with ergonomy hasn't yet arrived. It's "better" as in 
"they finally hired someone to take care of it".

 > How about XForms?

I don't know how soon, but SVG will have XForms support. With any luck, it'll 
come with the next release of the viewers. SVG 1.2 is looking into how to best 
integrate it completely (see http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/WD-SVG12-20021115/ for a 
short overview of what 1.2 covers).

-- 
Robin Berjon <robin.berjon@e...>
Research Engineer, Expway
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  • Re: What are the arguments *for* XHTML 2.0?
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  • Re: What are the arguments *for* XHTML 2.0?
    • From: Mike Champion <mc@x...>
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