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Re: Microsoft and vector graphics (Was:XDocs and XForms?)

• To: Joshua Allen <joshuaa@m...>
• Subject: Re: Microsoft and vector graphics (Was:XDocs and XForms?)
• From: Paul Prescod <paul@p...>
• Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 00:28:25 -0700
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Joshua Allen wrote:

> ...  The lack of viewers which are hosted in the web browser should 
> not be seen as lack of capability, but simply lack of volition in the 
> absence of any compelling reason to hook the viewers up (so long as 
> Adobe ships a sufficient viewer)


I think that you and I have very different use cases for SVG. I'm not 
looking for a vector graphic rendering platform. It's cool for that and 
was designed for that, but I just don't have problems that require that. 
I'm looking for a dynamic, graphical rendering platform. For that I need 
the full suite of specifications implemented in the Adobe viewer: SVG, 
JavaScript (built-in implementation), XLink, SMIL, DOM events, etc. Many 
people are building apps on this "dSVG" platform and most only run on 
the Adobe implementation. As a random example:

  * http://herzog.juergen.bei.t-online.de/svg/index.html

Does that run anywhere other than in ASV?

Furthermore, I need them in a browser for the reasons described here:

  http://www.blogstream.com/pauls/1034787029

> http://sourceforge.net/projects/svgdomcsharp/ is one nice project. 
> KDE also has support.  In other words, it is obviously possible for 
> independent developers to build good-quality SVG implementations which 
> are useful.  In fact I would say that the existence of such 
> implementations is a key measure of how successful SVG is.  If SVG 
> requires one or two big Gorilla benefactors to keep it alive, I would 
> claim it is a failure and never should have been standardized.

Implementing "dSVG" is in fact a pretty big task -- it is on the order 
of difficulty of building a dHTML renderer and how many people have done 
that? Of course nowadays "Gorilla" does not mean corporation. It could 
also be a team of open source programmers. But so far Adobe is the only 
show in town for this profile of SVG.

  Paul Prescod

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