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RE: SOAP and the Web

• To: "'Paul Prescod'" <paul@p...>, "'Simon St.Laurent'" <simonstl@s...>
• Subject: RE: SOAP and the Web
• From: "John F Schlesinger" <johns@s...>
• Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:01:56 -0400
• Cc: "'xml-dev'" <xml-dev@l...>, <spolsky@p...>
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• In-reply-to: <3CC89388.117AC5D2@p...>
• Reply-to: <johns@s...>

Paul said:
"Actually, if I get time I will write an article on how XML is a lousy
envelope format (whatever its other virtues!)."

From where I sit the biggest problem with SOAP as an envelope is that it
isn't transparent. The payload has to be XML (what about my GIFs?) and
the XML can neither have PIs (what about my XML declaration?) nor
DOCTYPEs (what about my entities?). This means that it cannot transport
many XML standards as is.

John F Schlesinger
SysCore Solutions 

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Prescod [mailto:paul@p...] 
Sent: Thursday, April 25, 2002 7:39 PM
To: Simon St.Laurent
Cc: xml-dev; spolsky@p...
Subject: Re:  SOAP and the Web

"Simon St.Laurent" wrote:
> 
> Did you get anyone defending SOAP on its technical merits?

Technical merits?

Not really. There were quite a few who technically bashed it in response
to Joel's article though:

 * http://discuss.fogcreek.com/joelonsoftware/default.asp

> You and Mark Baker seem to present more technical defense than any of
> the "advocates", which has me thoroughly confused.
> 
> (Don Box did bring up a common framing format[1], but I'm having a
hard
> time seeing the format mitigating the overall approach.)

Actually, if I get time I will write an article on how XML is a lousy
envelope format (whatever its other virtues!).

 Paul Precod

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