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 Advisory boards, reliable ears (if it is not the job of the TAG to listen, is it Tim's job or was that just Dan Connolly's perception?), are all the same. Ultimately the Director or some body decides to send it back. Lists that can synthesize the positions into a readable whole are desirable. I've seen lots of requests to XML-Dev to look at a specification or position and debate it. The case for XML Schema is not too difficult to understand as long as there are alternatives. the problem there is tying other specs directly to it if it is not modular enough. The increasing reliance on PSVI does indicate to me that it is, as you say, worthy of being in a separate specification. I believe the case for namespaces is similar. But ultimately I stay with the position that specifying and standardizing are separable jobs such that the long term health of the web will be best served when consortia specifications are nested inside international standards when the specifications by dint of implementation are proven worthy. Yes, that slows the rate of technological integration, and yes, that is a desirable side effect. len From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@s...] On Fri, 2002-05-17 at 11:58, Bullard, Claude L (Len) wrote: > I thought that was why Tim Bray was named the TAG's Ear On XML-Dev. > > I can't imagine that the WGs are not aware of the controversies > specs produce outside the W3C. The problem is, at what point does > the check and balance become affective? When are public comments > invited? Comments are typically invited with every draft. > What is the process for handling them? Comments must (in theory at least) be answered before the spec becomes a Recommendation. There is no requirement for how they must be answered, of course. > How far back > will a spec be rolled given these? Is it not possible that > given a "reliable ear", the Director or the TAG or both, > can send the work back to the WG? There's been serious resistance to the TAG having such a role. The quotes following are all from TAG members, though the contexts vary - I strongly encourage reading the original messages and surrounding context. Here's a blast from David Orchard: -------------------------------- The TAG should do it's job of making architectural recommendations and documenting web principles. The TAG should not and does not have oversight over the chartering of activities and working groups. There is a difference between power over architecture and influence over charters. The TAG does need to discuss the impacts of it's works - what we're doing here - but not so far as to drag an Activity out of it's home at the W3C. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Apr/0284.html ---------------------------------- A friendly but clear statement from Stuart Williams that the TAG should yield to WGs: ------------------------------- I also think that the TAG should focus on the articulation of Web Architecture and arhitectural principles. I think we can help WG's like XMLP in resolving issues of Web Architecture, *but* IMO the WG itself must be allowed to own the problem and to take responsibility for its resolution. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002May/0075.html --------------------------- Here's questioning from Tim Bray on TAG and community consensus: -------------------------------------- It is not the TAG's role to ascertain what the consensus of the community is. The TAG's role is to write down how the web architecture actually works and to do whatever possible to ensure that standards and tools avoid breaking it. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Apr/0211.html --------------------------------------- Roy Fielding seems willing to consider such a role, though: ---------------------------------------- If we are to remain silent on this issue, then the W3C should not exist. http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2002Apr/0235.html --------------------------------------- The Advisory Committee also plays a role. 
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