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RE: What does SOAP really add?

• To: 'John Cowan' <jcowan@r...>
• Subject: RE: What does SOAP really add?
• From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
• Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 10:08:25 -0500
• Cc: xml-dev@l...

And some information should not be exposed in URLs.

I have to wonder what the chilling effect on nascent 
web projects is of the churn since the REST vs SOAP 
debate has emerged as the dominant topic of list 
conversation.    When a CTO labels the W3C as an 
"academic organization" and says that if business 
interests aren't served, business goes elsewhere, 
there is simultaneously a shot across the bow 
and a prophecy that has a likelihood of being 
self-fulfilling.  We don't have to debate the 
morality of that to understand the implications.

SOAP based business services are going forward. 
There is no stopping that.   Where two 
forces meet in conflict and neither can yield, there is 
usually a lot of energy wasted.  After a time, 
there is so much waste, the leaders of both 
sides lose their respective mandates. At this point, aside 
from the critical technical analyses, some may 
want to consider if it will be better overall 
to put up a breakwater before the beaches 
erode into unusable rock ledges. It 
is not a surrender for both sides to coexist 
as long as each can determine its own destiny 
independent of the other's will.  However, that 
has implications for shared definitions.  Whatever 
is decided about SOAP or REST cannot be part of 
the XML core specification because both use it. 
If this is true of other definitions, the same 
will apply.

len 


From: John Cowan [mailto:jcowan@r...]

I think that overstates the case.   URLs can in practice only be so
long, and a side-effect-free operation might require a large number of
parameters.  So POSTs can be side-effect-free, but GETs should never
have side effects.

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