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RE: RE: Tim Bray on "Which Technologies Matter?"

  • To: 'Mike Champion' <mc@x...>, xml-dev@l...
  • Subject: RE: RE: Tim Bray on "Which Technologies Matter?"
  • From: "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...>
  • Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 13:52:32 -0600

goldfarb history
No.  The first pass was based on RTF and then 
Anders Berglund stepped in along with Dan 
Connoly.  They used a DTD others have mentioned. 
My original source on that was Yuri Rubinsky. 
HTML followed a development path common to markup 
applications: sprinkle and formalize; then redo 
and refactor.  Nothing wrong with that.

Markup owes many people.  Read Goldfarb's 
history for an authoritative source.

Hypertext is a technology that found its 
niche AFTER it became obsolete.  Even 
now, inline anchors are something of a 
convenience, not a necessity.


From: Mike Champion [mailto:mc@x...]

>3/15/2002 5:01:49 PM, "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <clbullar@i...> wrote:
>>If we had to invent XML from scratch, would it 
>>have mattered?  If HTML had been invented from 
>>scratch, would it have succeeded?

Also, a factual/historical question -- Wasn't HTML more or less
"invented from scratch" and SGML used to legitimize it
post hoc?  

That is, HTML arguably just latched on the
the "markup" meme, not  SGML in
all its glory.  Likewise, one could characterize the
core ideas in XML as "HTML with a more rigid and
easy-to-parse syntax, and with a flexible set of
tags."  Without SGML, something similar to HTML and
XML would probably have come along by now... maybe with 
LISP-ish or troff-ish (shudder!) syntax. How violently
would people who were in the hypertext world of ten 
years ago disagree?


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