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Not too quickly but in my own terms. We can't simply shift away from Tim's factors and keep the same thread, Uche. Ontological drift... In one way, this is just for fun. If we apply these tests of "what matters", we get some odd and perhaps for some, uncomfortable results. These days, when I see SQL, I usually also see it wrapped in ASP with VB. That is a limited view, no doubt, but SQL Server is gaining on Oracle and VB is a nice language. So is FoxPro but oh well.... But I think more people are making money with VB than C "today". MS matters. Otherwise, JP Barlow would sleep easier. (Sad when a prophet becomes a pundit, ain't it?) Ease of use, mastery and simplicity have been presented on this and every web list I've ever been on as "what makes the web work". I agree, that is a limited notion of what matters. In fact, that is part of the clarity one gets if one does this long enough. len -----Original Message----- From: Uche Ogbuji [mailto:uche.ogbuji@f...] > I didn't say it was best, just the most successful > if we look at ubiquity, numbers of applications produced, > ease of use, ease of mastery, simplicity and so on. Ah, Len, but you responded too quickly. I didn't say "best" either. I too was arguing that VB is nowhere near the most *successful* language. C and SQL are is more Ubiquitous than VB. C, SQL and FORTRAN have produced far more applications than has VB. I don't see how ease of use, mastery and simplicity are ipso facto measures os success, otherwise wouldn't logo be the most successful language in that regard? Actually, in that case, adventure game interfaces would probably be most successful ;-) > All of these are perceptions but if we count money, > a lot more people are making money programming with > VB than C. I *highly* doubt this. I think you're forgetting the huge embedded systems market, which is dominated by C and close to 100% commercial (on the large scale). > If one doesn't use MS products, nevermind. Irrelevant to the question.
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