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 >it or rely on it. What you actually did ship with IE 5.0 and 5.5 was a >non-compliant version. Hiding a compliant version deep in your web site for I thought we were talking about IE6. "Wea Culpa" on IE5x; we fixed it in IE6. If your Café con Leche site had said something like "I am still angry about Microsoft screwing up IE5.x, so I am using IE6 as an excuse to vent about it", I wouldn't be disagreeing. But you are claiming to speak about Microsoft's current release and motives. >Microsoft already knows about this and made the choice for the reasons I >described. Here's a malformed document: ><test></test> This falls into the category of not breaking stuff that already works. The whole "blueberry" debate should have made it apparent that there are many, many real people who produce XML that has such characters in it. We fixed the XML parser to correctly fail on such characters, but unfortunately the IE team does not agree with your assessment that it would be a good thing for customers to have us break their existing apps. And don't even try to claim that the existence of XML documents with such characters is Microsoft's fault. I have seen these coming from VMS and Unix systems just as much as anywhere else. The IE team chose not to penalize users for having such documents. This is technically a conformance violation, yes -- but I trust that they know their users better than I do, and I think that alarmism over this particular issue is rather extreme. You are entitled to disagree vehemently, but if this is the only thing you are complaining about, I hardly think "the whole thing is completely broke." >readers swearing that my books are wrong because I tell people to use >text/xml instead of text/xsl. And I've got a standard from response that >tells them to complain to Microsoft, not to me because I'm right and Well, step back then -- you acknowledge that text/xsl works on all browsers, and text/xml+xslt works on ... none? So regardless of how "right" you are, you would encourage users to do something that would be guaranteed to not work? You must envision some immense benefit from the use of "text/xml+xslt" that would make it worth trying to get everyone to do something that clearly does not work. I still am wondering what browser supports "text/xml+xslt". So if IE for example supported that and disabled text/xsl, would Microsoft get beat up for breaking compatibility with Netscape? Sure thousands of customers would be angry, but we could say "we are right and you are wrong." Certainly it is important for us to support text/xml+xslt, but again I think you *might* blowing this out of proportion. I have never heard of a single customer saying, "I can't do what I want because IE only supports 'text/xsl' instead of 'text/xml+xslt'". It is also highly suspicious that there could be any competitive advantage for Microsoft to avoid reading the new mime type. It's an oversight (which seems to affect nobody and arguably helps preserve compatibility with other browsers). Please don't read any more into it than that. >to be. These are *not* problems in MSXML. They are problems in IE. Agreed. >Agains, see the above cited thread and message from Microsoft's Aung Aung. >IE most definitely does cripple MSXML3. OK, so I read through the thread, and I can see where you are coming from. I would argue that your first example (ASCII 0x05) is an example of IE *not* crippling XML as much as the spec demands, and I do not agree with the level of emergency you place on this particular issue. You and I would probably both have made IE fail here, but I'm not too comfortable saying what is best since I have also seen how often people try to use IE to look at some XML from a Unix or VMS machine or whatever. On the other hand, the example of IE rejecting plane 1 characters is pretty annoying, and I will make sure it gets priority as a bug that should be fixed. Anyway, thank you for your persistence. 
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