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 I'm with you on SVG completely -- as soon as the tools are out I'm in. Illustrator is already exporting nice static pages, but my designers can't code the DOM and I won't ask them to learn how to (the SVG interactive pallete requires strong scripting knowledge). As soon as someone outputs a visual editor that outputs interactive SVG that is as reliable as Flash, I'm on board. And I know your answer to that: Someone will, and soon. I've been watching SVG with keen interest, and am very excited about it. But it's not production-ready yet, and I can't recommend it to my clients until it is both reliable at the production level and has an installed user base of more than about 1% of all users. My clients are bottom-line people, not experimenters. In a perfect world, the killer SVG tool will *still* separate content from presentation. The possibility of edit once, present everywhere is very appealing to those of us who do a lot of editorial and artistic production. I actually hope you are right about client-side CSS. I myself have been using it for years, and wrote an article for Web Techniques back in 97 on how to do CSS positioning. Oh, look, nobody's really doing it yet. Why? Even though designing in tables is unnatural and perverse, unless you have the resources to write lots of browser sniffing routines, it's the only way to present to a huge population of people who simply don't bother upgrading their browsers. I don't have the stomach to test my CSS Positioning code in IE4 for the Mac, or the aforemention Netscape 4, which was little more than a freely downloadable virus. I don't need to be convinced about the efficacy of cool technologies. I just need to see them in a sufficiently installed base of users before I can recommend them to clients in a time of limited budgets. I don't think we really disagree here, anyway. I am a strong advocate for all of this stuff. But the realities of the marketplace dictate my recommendations, and the reality is that the migration to these technologies tends to be slow. I'm glad you're trying to speed them up. Hats off. Chuck White CEO The Tumeric Partnership http://www.tumeric.net chuck@t... ________________________________________ Co-Author, Mastering XML, Premium Edition Sybex Books, May, 2001 http://www.javertising.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robin Berjon" <robin@k...> To: <xml-dev@l...> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2001 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Bad News on IE6 XML Support > On Saturday 08 September 2001 19:03, Chuck White wrote: > > I'm a graphic artist/writer who learned programming and I can tell you that > > I would never ask my designers to design for client-side XML. XML is meant > > for the server until support for it on the browser becomes ubiquitous, and > > it's nowhere near that now. Nobody should be encouragng designers or HTML > > jockeys to write client-side XML period, for any reason, unless it's for a > > closed system or they just want to learn it. Sorry, but this holds true for > > XHTML as well. > > Well as someone who's been pushing SVG -- which to me seems to be a > client-side XML technology -- to everyone in my company and outside for quite > some time, I can only disagree with you. It would seem that SVG is taking the > world by storm and my present incoming log of SVG related contracts seems to > confirm that. I'm pretty certain that I'm not in the only company to be > seeing this. > > As for XHTML, when Netscape 4 finally dies the terrible death that it > deserves then it'll be possible (that is, it's possible now but not with the > kind of precise rendering that people want). In fact, N4 is now low enough > that people that still use it will probably understand why they're seeing a > page that does display, but in a degraded way (XHTML does degrade ok there, > elsewhere it works). I just scheduled a complete technical makeover of our > own site, and it'll be 100% XHTML/CSS/SVG. Judging from all the experiments > we conducted there, I'm confident that it's the way to go, now. > > -- > _______________________________________________________________________ > Robin Berjon <robin@k...> -- CTO > k n o w s c a p e : // venture knowledge agency www.knowscape.com > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > Brain damage is all in your head. > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The xml-dev list is sponsored by XML.org <http://www.xml.org>, an > initiative of OASIS <http://www.oasis-open.org> > > The list archives are at http://lists.xml.org/archives/xml-dev/ > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this elist use the subscription > manager: <http://lists.xml.org/ob/adm.pl> > 
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