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RE: Human names (was: Elements order:)

• From: jivanyi@a... (Julius Ivanyi)
• To: 'John Cowan' <cowan@m...>,"'Christopher R. Maden'" <crism@m...>
• Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 07:51:46 -0500

The best way to handle names might be to sort by both names, e.g.
surname+personal name, in Russian surname+personal name+patronymic

-----Original Message-----
From: John Cowan [mailto:cowan@m...]
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:23 AM
To: Christopher R. Maden
Cc: 'xml-dev@l...'
Subject: Human names (was: Elements order:)


Christopher R. Maden scripsit:

> I disagree there - I like to be able to encode Asian and western names in
> their proper cultural order but still know which is the given and which is
> the family name.

The best way to handle this particular modeling situation is to store
the full name, in culturally correct order, in one element, and the
sorting name in another:

<name><commonName>John Cowan</commonName><sortName>Cowan,
John</sortName></name>

This is close to what X.500 does with its commonName and surname fields.
In this way we can handle different cases:

English/French/German: order is personal name, surname; sort by surname
Magyar/Chinese/Japanese: order is surname, personal name: sort by surname
Icelandic: order is personal name, patronymic: sort by personal name
Hispanic: order is personal name, surname, mother's surname: sort by surname
Russian: order is personal name, patronymic, surname: sort by surname
Arabic: ???

As usual with i18n, It's Harder Than You Think, even after applying this
rule.
:-)

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