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Ok, but a term for which we have no useful definition does not provide much that is useful. This dips into the philosophy of self and that is irrelevant. Identification or assertion of identity is an act and auditing the act is doable. One act asserts identity and another asserts the correctness of the assertion (authentication). In a wide open system, ensuring the actor owns the asserted property is very difficult. That is why the most highly secured systems are in vaults and have no external connections. Protection is commensurate with risk. As individuals risk more, they want and need more protection. Hailstorm is MS trying to both enable more services across more platforms while enabling more protection. The question is does it work? Then who works it? But the original question is if the means is system wide, can they assert ownership of means. Len Bullard Intergraph Public Safety clbullar@i... http://www.mp3.com/LenBullard Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti. Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h -----Original Message----- From: Dimitris Dimitriadis [mailto:dimitris.dimitriadis@i...] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:09 PM To: Bullard, Claude L (Len) Cc: XML DEV Subject: SV: Copyrighting schemas, Hailstorm Comments inlined. Main argument: identification asserts identity, contrary to the claim that identity does not exist. Therefore, he who controls assertion of identity (or validation of identity claims), has leverage on identity itself. /Dimitris
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