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 I would suggest that most of us participating in this thread may be outsiders with respect to the invention of groves. There was not an assumption. The statement was clear: " ""Groves are the greatest thing I've never seen or completely understood." with the possible exception of Architectural Forms." Since the needs are not yet defined, that is a hard determination to validate. The work invested in groves by others seems to indicate they may be appropriate for defining subsets. That is what grove plans are designed for with respect to markup technology. What is different in this instance? John Cowan has already made a good stab at showing the difficulty of creating an exhaustive definition. He has also stated that a grove plan would be welcomed as a non-normative appendix. That is a progress via one path. What are the alternatives and how are they superior to the one that the editor of the specification in question says is acceptable? Len Bullard Intergraph Public Safety clbullar@i... http://fly.hiwaay.net/~cbullard/lensongs.ram Ekam sat.h, Vipraah bahudhaa vadanti. Daamyata. Datta. Dayadhvam.h -----Original Message----- From: Simon St.Laurent [mailto:simonstl@s...] I think you're making some assumptions here about the amount of time and research that has been invested by 'outsiders' in investigating both groves and architectural forms. Those assumptions may not hold up under scrutiny. A lot of folks on this list (myself included) have spent more time than we'd like boning up on these very topics, and not received a whole lot of return on our investments. (It's definitely helped me follow XML-Dev, though.) Both specs inform my work, but I don't regard either of them as a natural or appropriate fit to XML. It's not that we don't appreciate the work done by those who have come before, it's that we don't always find that work appropriate to the needs we have at present. It's NAH - Not Appropriate Here - not just NIH. Simon St.Laurent XML Elements of Style / XML: A Primer, 2nd Ed. http://www.simonstl.com - XML essays and books 
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