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[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] RE: Joel on XML
 Ok, I finally had to go and see what all the fuss about .net was. I went and read the MS "white paper" and came to the conclusion that MS is going to tie all their applications together (mistakingly considering them standards it would appear) using xml and the web. Big woopee. Of course, they somehow magically convey the notion that theirs is and will be THE vision for such an idea. It's not only not the only vision, it's not the first exposition of such a vision by a long shot. Then I read Joel's paper. I somewhat agree with it and somewhat don't. It's a good idea, just not Mediocresoft's vision of it. I'd say more, but it's better to just go out and outperform Mediocresoft rather then wasting time on discussing them. Dave LeBlanc -----Original Message----- From: ricko@m... [mailto:ricko@m...]On Behalf Of Rick JELLIFFE Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 11:18 PM To: Dave Winer Cc: xml-dev@l... Subject: Re: Joel on XML > Dave Winer wrote: > > Please read this essay, written by Joel Spolsky: > > http://joel.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$133 > > "If you go too far up, abstraction-wise, you run out of oxygen. > Sometimes smart thinkers just don't know when to stop, and they create > these absurd, all-encompassing, high-level pictures of the universe > that are all good and fine, but don't actually mean anything at all." > > This is what I was trying to say to anyone who would listen at WWW9. > (And on the Syndication mail list, and everywhere XML comes up.) The rest of Spolsky's article is about vaporware and FUD, not over-abstraction. That paragraph is an odd blip. Is he really saying that the idea of messages is an over-abstraction? This is pretty strange: packets are not an over-abstraction, JavaBeans are not an over-abstrction, why should XML messages be an over-abstraction necessarily? Criticizing a general, non-technical marketing blurb for being vague is futile. The pupose of those white-papers is so that barely-technical decision-makers outside MS feel confident that MS has a good plan and they are leading not reacting. It is like Lousiana Governor Huey Long's last compaign slogan "Vote for me, I'm not crazy". I have not read a "white-paper" from a large corporatoin that was not similarly insubstantial: they are not written for us. Rick Jelliffe 
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