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[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] Seeking a Dao of Groves
 [Snip, re: groves] > However, it has not been presented in an effective manner. Almost the > only piece of information about it that is easy to understand for a > programmer is Paul Prescod's tutorial[1]. I have read it, worked with > SGML, DSSSL and similar things for years, and even so I, personally, > did not really understand it until I got an explanation from Eliot > Kimber at a conference. Very intersting. It looks as if I'll have to seek out Mr. Kimber, guru tokens in hand. I, too used to throw up my hands at any mention of groves, given the stream of perverse jargon that seemed to accompany its discussion. Then I came across Paul Prescod's motivations of the Grove model in this list, which whetted my appetite. I followed his links to his tutorial, and I was hooked on what was obviously a simple and powerful concept at root. The main problem was that at that point I stood in the shallow end of an obviously deep and rich pool, but as soon as I tried to explore further, following the links Paul suggested, I found myself drowning in such inscrutable jargon that I half expected the waters to start spouting Foucault and Battaille. Either someone needs to finish the job that Paul started, and make what everyone insists is such a simple concept, well, simple. We need a Richard Feynman of groves, and I think if Paul had more time, it would be he. Some of us, like Lars and I, sense grove's latent power intuitively, but until we can find a guru to translate it into English (or Norsk) we're pretty much helpless. Others are more practical and simply refuse to listen when someone insists on speaking Klingon in order to explain checkers. Steve Newcom can rant all he wants about the W3C's scorn of grove holy writ, but W3C members are only human, and I can hardly fault them for giving the cold shoulder to anything they can't understand, and which no-one is making a useful effort to help them understand. Of course, Eliot Kimber might have pulled as many W3C members as he could aside for the Yoda session before resigning in disgust as Steve describes it, but the W3C has many members. One person can hardly be expected to nurture them all to Jedi Knighthood. What we need is the Upanishad to all the Grove Vedas, the Ecclesiastes to the Grove Deuteronomy, the... you get the idea (not!) Give us the word, and we shall find our own path to enlightement. And if anyone can wander a more annoying path of metaphors than I've just completed, I'll be the first in line to shoot him. Boy do I need to get to bed. -- Uche Ogbuji Fourthought, Inc., IT Consultants uche.ogbuji@f... (970)481-0805 Software engineering, project management, Intranets and Extranets http://Fourthought.com http://OpenTechnology.org xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ or CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 Unsubscribe by posting to majordom@i... the message unsubscribe xml-dev (or) unsubscribe xml-dev your-subscribed-email@your-subscribed-address Please note: New list subscriptions now closed in preparation for transfer to OASIS. 
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