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Re: Namespace handling in XML Processors

• From: vishal sharan <mettlus@y...>
• To: David Brownell <david-b@p...>, schen@f...
• Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:02:01 -0700 (PDT)

Hey Guys my mailbox is flooding with the namespace mails. So why not I
ask all of you one question. Can the XML Document contain namespace??
Pleae know whether this is a valid XML Doc or not
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its in the attachment

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--- David Brownell <david-b@p...> wrote:
> schen@f... wrote:
> >
> > Hi David, everyone,
> >
> > Thanks for clearing up all the different issues.
> >
> > So if I'm to understand this correctly, for
> processing to occur in the
> > right way involves the following steps:
> 
> It'd normally happen in the other order ...
> namespace processing after
> XML processing, but I think the implied order wasn't
> intentional!
> 
> 
> > Namespace processor:
> > apply scoping, defaulting, and URI comparison to
> all elements so that each
> > element and attribute has a namespace prefix,
> normalizing all elements and
> > attributes in the same URI namespace to have the
> same prefix.
> 
> That'd be one kind of namespace processor; there are
> others.  This
> can all be done dynamically.  And of course,
> prefixes aren't supposed
> to matter except to be mnemonic to folk writing XML
> by hand -- many
> "namespace processors" will ignore prefixes except
> for output concerns.
> Applications doing "semantic" processing should use
> the namespace URI
> and the local part of the name, ignoring everything
> else.
> 
> 
> > DTD:
> > using external/internal subsets, define DTD using
> normalized namespace
> > prefixes.  This would require somehow combining
> the DTD's of each
> > namespace being used.  An example would be in
> XSLT, validating stylesheets
> > using the XSLT DTD fragment.
> >
> > XML Processor:
> > process as usual, all element and attribute names
> having been
> > "fully-qualified", is treated just like any other
> XML document.
> 
> DTD processing is done by the XML processor, and
> doesn't know
> a thing about XML namespaces.  They're orthogonal.
> 
> 
> > Do I have this right?
> 
> No, DTD processing is part of XML processing and
> doesn't know
> anything at all about namespaces.  "Normalizing"
> prefixes isn't
> required (if it were done, a namespace processor
> could do it),
> and if you can use DTD mechanisms to combine your
> vocabularies
> you didn't really need to use namespaces.
> 
> 
> >       So currently the tricky part is merging the
> DTDs,
> > and without standardization on schemas and
> namespace semantics mapping,
> > many people feel that namespaces are confusing at
> best and useless at
> > worst as it is today.
> 
> The most effective way to think about XML namespaces
> is without
> letting DTDs enter the discussion.  There's a set of
> documents
> that can use them together, but the conflicts are
> more evident.
> 
> The XML Namespace spec was pretty much rushed to REC
> status a bit
> on the early side ... without a good general
> understanding of its
> place in the suite of XML standards.  Hence that
> confusion.
> 
> 
> > But at least I can recognize the utility of
> namespaces in XSLT, which
> > would be more difficult to handle without this
> facility.  Less clear to me
> > is the raging XHTML debate in the parallel
> thread(s).
> >
> > Sorry for stirring up anything that was rehashed
> before, I've only just
> > subscribed to the list.  Thanks again.
> 
>  There seem to be no flames on this thread!  (Knock
> on wood ... ;-)
> 
> - Dave
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