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[XML-DEV Mailing List Archive Home] [By Thread] [By Date] [Recent Entries] [Reply To This Message] Re: XSL Debate, Leventhal responds to Stephen Deach
 At 08:13 AM 6/11/99 -0400, Jonathan Borden wrote: >Please, have some respect. The Scientific American article is an >accomplishment. They wrote it, Leventhal didn't. This just sounds like sour >grapes. Actually, I brought this up when the article first appeared. Tim Bray acknowledged that this was a significant omission. (http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/xml-dev-Apr-1999/0347.html) I think the sour grapes come from having to put up with a group that launched off in its own direction without much regard for prior work _on the Web_ and that keeps insisting that it is _the_ solution for XML formatting. Listening to the opening XTech keynote in March was a particularly painful moment in this regard, but it's a theme that goes on and on. This "CSS and XSL don't compete" stuff is a load of condescending garbage that should have been disposed of long ago. > Noted and filed. Whine all you want about XSL and its so called >failings. I for one am using XSL even in its early implementation to do real >work. The people who use my application will need a browser which supports >client side XSL+DOM+ECMAScript. This can be accomplished via Java,COM,XPCOM >etc. I suspect that IE5 and Mozilla will be able to handle this. If your >company's browser isn't up to the task, then so be it, but in this context, >this whining about XSL and pleading for people to stop using it (and for the >W3C not to support it ) sounds alot like a vendor with an agenda. I think you've come to the conclusion that anyone who disagrees with you is whining. From the other side, I've come to the conclusion that you're whining. I write books. The existence of standards makes those books worth writing, but it makes very little difference (financially, at least) whether those books cover CSS or XSL. I have no vendor agenda. Still, I think Michael Leventhal is making some very important points. I would genuinely like the W3C to sit down and ask if XSL is _good for the Web_. Not good for the XSL community, not good for the DSSSL community, but whether it is good for _the Web_. That is, after all, their job. If, after some serious, preferably public, pondering, they conclude that it's good for the Web, then fine. XSL can become a recommendation. If they decide that it's not good for the Web, they'd better drop it. XSL can move on to a different organization if necessary - I don't see it dying any time soon. > If my comments are inflamatory I apologize. They are in reaction to a >done discussion that I have been hoping will just go away. If you keep inflaming it, it'll keep going, not go away. Simon St.Laurent XML: A Primer / Building XML Applications Inside XML DTDs: Scientific and Technical (July) Sharing Bandwidth / Cookies http://www.simonstl.com xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ and on CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...) 
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