Re: XSL Debate, Leventhal responds to Stephen Deach
"Simon St.Laurent" wrote: > > I'm afraid that there _is_ widespread dissatisfaction with XSL in general. Note that there is also widespread dissatisfaction with namespaces, RDF, XLink and XML itself. > I may just be a lightning rod for people who don't like XSL, but I've had > at least 10 Java developers say they thought XSLT was a horrible mess, > along with about 15 Web developers. I thought that you liked XSLT. Did you change your mind? I think that it would be more productive to separate concerns about XSLT from concerns about FOs. > The 'FOs Considered Harmful' > discussions raised real problems, that most XSL enthusiasts seemed inclined > to ignore rather than solve, and those arguments go to the heart of what > the 'Web' is about. Nobody solved the FOs considered harmful problems because they are *insoluable*. You cannot force people to put semantic markup on the Web. CSS can't force them to do so. CSS (by itself) doesn't even *allow* them to. XSLT allows them to (just as the DOM does). In my mind that is a Good Thing. > The best I can say for XSL is that the XSL community got off on the wrong > foot by describing themselves as DSSSL-Lite and ignoring/denigrating CSS > rather than focusing on shared vocabularies. Transformation to XML+CSS > (even a rather modified and extended CSS) rather than transformation to FOs > of whatever vocabulary would have sidestepped 90% of these issues. > Instead, they forged ahead on their own, making enemies rather than allies. 20/20 hindsight is great but don't we all as individuals have the responsibility to move on to technical issues instead of talking about how things should have been done three years ago? Please, let's talk about technology! XSL FOs are very much based on CSS properties. Where do you see the conflicts occurring? What exactly is your complaint? If we changed the prefix from FO: to CSS: would that address your concern? > XSL could have looked very different had cooperation between XSL and CSS > begun earlier, but the core functionality you keep demanding would probably > have worked about the same. It would look very different *how*? What technical proposal are you making? -- Paul Prescod - ISOGEN Consulting Engineer speaking for only himself http://itrc.uwaterloo.ca/~papresco "Silence," wrote Melville, "is the only Voice of God." The assertion, like its subject, cuts both ways, negating and affirming, implying both absence and presence, offering us a choice; it's a line that the Society of American Atheists could put on its letterhead and the Society of Friends could silently endorse while waiting to be moved by the spirit to speak. - Listening for Silence by Mark Slouka, Apr. 1999, Harper's xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ and on CD-ROM/ISBN 981-02-3594-1 To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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