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Re: Component Markup Language

• From: "Frank Boumphrey" <bckman@i...>
• To: "Matthew Sergeant (EML)" <Matthew.Sergeant@e...>, <xml-dev@i...>
• Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 10:04:45 -0500

Matthew wrote:
>>Well, I think we're really talking apples and oranges here. I want
to be able to write applications in XML, with some embedded Javascript, or
Perl. I don't want to write forms because then I'm stuck with the whole of
the browser (i.e. it's buttons and menus, or I can open a new window with no
buttons and menus, but then I can't add menus, and the buttons don't
integrate as a toolbar, and I can't have a nicely integrated status bar...).
Basically I want XUIL - and I can't wait until it's ready for prime time.<<

The problem here is that to be 'cross platform' one needs a layer between
the XML+script, and the platforms API.

That essentially means either using Java or a preexisting interface such as
a browser or a word processor.

I myself use XML and a VB interface to create what you are trying to
achieve. I simply pass my insructions to in XML to my VB application. This
of course that is not cross platform.

Frank


----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Sergeant (EML) <Matthew.Sergeant@e...>
To: <xml-dev@i...>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 4:48 AM
Subject: RE: Component Markup Language


>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Frank Boumphrey [SMTP:bckman@i...]
>>
>> >HTML 4 isn't quite up to providing a full GUI, even with the DOM. For
>> >example you can't do menu's.
>>
>> Thats news to me!
>>
> The HTML WG seem to have a different concept of what menus are to
>normal application developers. I mean an application that has it's own
>window with it's own menus. No back button - the window should be totally
>defined by the XML. Without using Javascript tricks. I didn't mean the
><select> tag - or even the deprecated <menu> tag. I mean drop down menus
>that can have submenus.
>
>> You can't do buttons with images on them (I'm
>> >not talking about images that are buttons),
>>
>> What about the <button> element?
>>
>> <button>
>>     <img src="stop.gif">
>>     <br>Stop!!
>> </button>
>>
>> willl give as good a button with an image as VB or C++
>>
> :-) Missed that I guess.
>
>>  you can't do tabbed dialogs
>> >(well, you can, but it's non-trivial),
>>
>> It's almost trivial using CSS. Use the z layer property.
>>
> Yes - almost trivial, but the design of the tabs is up to the
>designer - it's not provided by the OS.
>
>> I'm sure there are other things. Of
>> >course you could add these things into HTML 5, but I don't think it's
>> worth
>> >going down that road.
>>
>> X HTML, (I don't think that I am selling any state secrets here)  will
>> include a complete rewrite of 'forms', including new interfaces.
>>
>> I for one, and I'm sure that other members of the HTML WG would be very
>> interested in learning what extra needs people have for the GUI, or for
>> information handling on the client side.
>>
> Well, I think we're really talking apples and oranges here. I want
>to be able to write applications in XML, with some embedded Javascript, or
>Perl. I don't want to write forms because then I'm stuck with the whole of
>the browser (i.e. it's buttons and menus, or I can open a new window with
no
>buttons and menus, but then I can't add menus, and the buttons don't
>integrate as a toolbar, and I can't have a nicely integrated status
bar...).
>Basically I want XUIL - and I can't wait until it's ready for prime time.
>
> Matt.
>
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