Re: XML-DEVIL Proposal - was Open Standards Processes
(In light of my previous posting I should probably keep my mouth shut, but the discussion has now become concrete enough that it surely can no longer be labelled "pontification". Ah well...) Jon, >Please understand that I'm not arguing against your idea, which has >occurred to others before you and undeniably has a certain amount of >charm. I'm just trying to tell you from personal experience that >maintaining the confidentiality requirement is an enormous pain in the >ass and will most definitely crimp your style. Until a few weeks ago I was the W3C representative for my previous employer (POET Software), and my personal experience was that the burden of maintaining the confidentially requirement was far outweighed by the advantages of being able to do your work on the basis of current specs and discussion. Joining the proposed XML-DEVIL would be associated with a certain cost, so everyone and his brother is not going to do so. Besides this, I suspect that most people with whom we would be interested in sharing confidential information (i.e. other XML developers) would join up anyway if this idea ends up flying. Finally, my experience with the XML developer community is that it is a remarkably intelligent and disciplined (if somewhat opinionated :-) group who would be very rigorous about not spilling the beans. >Right. And one of the things I was trying to say more subtly before >but apparently need to be more direct about is that you are imagining >a group of potential competitors (rather than the employees of a >single corporation) deciding which *one* of them is going to represent >the group to the W3C Director. What fun you'll have with that part! >And what a wonderful time you'll have specifying in detail the >procedures you will follow to determine what position that one person >represents on each issue! Not to mention the procedures for deciding >who gets to be on which working group... I dare say the same applies to the OMG (a current member). I honestly don't see a problem here, for several reasons: 1) We are talking about a group of people who are extraordinarily open about sharing their work with others (witness SAX and the myriad of implementations, extensions, etc. that are now freely available). 2) Even the interests of competitors are likely to be aligned on most issues. 3) Participating in a working group implies a very significant time investment, so the crown will in most cases go to whomever (if anyone) is willing to make this investment. 4) We could agree to provide concrete input only on issues where we have a clear consensus. In other cases, we would revert to a pure observer role, which is of great value in itself. >I completely understand and sympathize with this view. All I'm trying >to say is that I believe you can accomplish more with less effort by >utilizing an existing corporate infrastructure (including web site, >mailing lists, board of directors, marketing staff, industry contacts, >conference schedule, and the rest of the apparatus that you will >eventually need) that is capable right now of serving exactly the >function that you describe. Is OASIS a member of the W3C? If so, you are absolutely right. Why reinvest the wheel? On the other hand, I checked the member list and couldn't find them. If OASIS is not a member, joining it would certainly interest many on this list, but it doesn't address the issue of gaining advanced access to W3C works-in-progress. Cheers, Matthew xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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