Re: Christmas Interruptions (and SPAM)
At 11:17 23/12/97 -0500, Steven R. Newcomb wrote: >I hope this is the VERY LAST comment on the excrement in our >mailboxes. (Sorry, Peter, this needs to be said. You can't shoulder >the burden that we must each shoulder ourselves.) > >> ... take immediate >> action which might well involve us instituting more complex (and therefore >> costly) procedures. > >No. As a practical matter, where obnoxious anonymous speech is >concerned, there are only two choices: respond with counteracting >speech, or pretend it's not happening and wait for it to stop. I would like this to be the last public posting on this issue :-) Henry is away, so I am doing whatever is possible over the holiday period. ***IF YOU NEED TO COMMUNICATE ON NON-XML MATTERS, MAIL ME AND I WILL TRY TO DO THE APPROPRIATE THING*** Several people have mailed me privately. I'll make the following points: (A). The list is mounted, serviced by and (implicitly) funded by Imperial College. Therefore, whatever members of this list, including Henry and myself think, we have to abide by the rules and practice of that organisation. I have spoken with Henry, since I felt that action was necessary. As a result we have disabled the hypermail server, not least for reasons in (B). Henry is NOT sysadm of the list technology. He is therefore bound by what is possible within their remit - nothing unusual about this - most of us work that way. My major concern was that offensive mail could be posted to the hypermail *** and be visible to anyone on the WWW ***. Of course this could have happened any time during the year, but someone would have been available to react quickly and delete it (though I personally know that deleting mail from hypermail is non-trivial). (B) In the UK (where Imperial, Henry are I are located), such postings *can be* illegal. That is why I used the word specifically. I have sat on our local Police and Community Consultative Committee in Harrow (London). This is a community of very widespread origins and racial harassment is taken seriously. If someone were to post such a message through a letter box it would be investigated by the police with a view to prosecution if enough strong evidence were available. If someone were to post such a message in a public electronic place (e.g. a mailing list) and it reached a UK resident, then I would not be surprised if an investigation were launched. I would not wish such a message to remain in public view for any length of time without taking action. For the record, there is another mailing list at IC run by Henry which has suffered the same problem. I appreciate the concern of the list members. However, PLEASE do not post to the list, whether or not it is hypermailed. I do not have to explain the benefit of NOT having these messages visible to unlimited humans and robots. P. Peter Murray-Rust, Director Virtual School of Molecular Sciences, domestic net connection VSMS http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/vsms, Virtual Hyperglossary http://www.venus.co.uk/vhg xml-dev: A list for W3C XML Developers. To post, mailto:xml-dev@i... Archived as: http://www.lists.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/xml-dev/ To (un)subscribe, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; (un)subscribe xml-dev To subscribe to the digests, mailto:majordomo@i... the following message; subscribe xml-dev-digest List coordinator, Henry Rzepa (mailto:rzepa@i...)
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