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Subject: Administrivia
From: XSL-List Owner <xsl-list-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 12:29:39 +0000 (EST)
message may contain administrivia
Please pay attention to the sections on quoting messages in replies
and on cross-posting.

This information is posted to the XSL-List (and the XSL-List Digest)
under the subject line "Administrivia" at regular intervals.  If the
details change between postings, the subject line is "Administrivia
-changed", otherwise the posting will be the same as the previous

 - Posting
 - Replies Go To The List
 - Quoting Messages in Replies
 - HTML Attachments
 - Cross-Posting
 - Daily Digest
 - Unsubscribing from XSL-List
 - Unsubscribing from the Digest
 - If you stop getting XSL-List messages
 - Archive
 - Further information on XSL
 - Message Subject Prefixes
 - Reporting Bugs in Software
 - DSSSList -- The DSSSL Users' Mailing List
 - Contact


Only subscribers can post to XSL-List, and only from the address they
used when they subscribed.

There is no restriction on what may be posted provided it is related
to XSL.  Items related to DSSSL should be posted to the DSSSList.
When deciding between the two, consider if the item is of more
interest to those interested in XSL more than DSSSL or those
interested in DSSSL more than XSL.

Do not begin your subject line with "help" or "subscribe" since the
list software will bounce the message because it looks like is an
administrative request.

Both subscribers to XSL-List@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and subscribers to
XSL-List-Digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx should post their messages to
XSL-List@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, and the messages will be received by both
subscribers to the list and subscribers to the digest.

It is best to start a new message for a new thread.  Do not start a
new thread by replying to an unrelated message and just changing the
subject line since the header of your message will contain references
to the previous message and your new message will appear in the
archive as one of the replies to the original message.


The reply address of XSL-List messages (and of digests) is
xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx so REPLIES GO TO THE LIST BY DEFAULT.  If
you want to reply to just the author of a post, you should change the
"To:" field in your reply.


Please do not quote entire messages just to add a few lines at the
beginning or end.  Instead, quote the parts to which you are directly
replying or quote enough to establish the context.

Everybody on the list has already received the message that you are
quoting, and anyone searching the archive will find your message and
the previous message listed under the same thread.

Subscribers to the XSL-List will just ignore most of the quoted
messages and move to the next post, but subscribers to the XSL-List
Digest will mostly have to page past the quoted messages to reach the
next material in which they are interested in reading.


Please do not include HTML versions of your message or other
miscellaneous cruft as attachments to your post.  A small proportion
of list subscribers may be able to read your fancy text, but a larger
proportion won't, and the majority of subscribers to the XSL-List
Digest will have to scroll past your attachments to get to the next
part that they can read.


Cross-posting to the XSL-List and to another list, even XML-Dev or the
DSSSList, is often counter-productive unless everybody who replies to
the thread is on both lists.  No list's archive will contain the
complete thread, cross-posts from non-subscribers continuing the
thread will bounce, and XSL-List subscribers who are not also on the
other list will only see half of the thread, as will those on the
other list who are not also on the XSL-List.  Subscribers to both
lists may see two copies of the message, annoying them as well.


Daily digests -- copies of a whole days XSL-List messages (or a 40,000
character chunk, whichever comes first) sent as one email message --
are available.  Not only is it one mail message containing all of that
day's XSL-List messages, it averages half the bytes of the individual
messages since it doesn't include the overhead of the mail headers
from each message.  To unsubscribe from the list and subscribe to the
digest, send mail to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx with the following two
lines as the body of your message:

unsubscribe xsl-list
subscribe xsl-list-digest


To unsubscribe from the list, send mail to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
with "unsubscribe xsl-list" as the body of your message.


To unsubscribe from the digest, send mail to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
with "unsubscribe xsl-list-digest" as the body of your message.


Ordinarily, mail bounces back to xsl-list-owner only because a user's
account has been closed on their system without their unsubscribing
from the list.  If mail to an address bounces for an extended period,
that address may be removed from the list.

If you stop receiving XSL-List message, you may have been removed
because mail to you was bouncing.  You are not being picked on, and
you can just rejoin the list.


XSL-List messages are archived at


The W3C information on XSL is at http://www.w3.org/Style/XSL.  The
current XSL Working Draft is at http://www.w3.org/TR/WD-xsl. The
original XSL note is at http://www.w3.org/TR/NOTE-XSL.

An excellent source of information about XSL is the XSL page of Robin
Cover's SGML/XML Web Page at http://www.oasis-open.org/cover/xsl.html.


Since there is a lot of discussion of the new XSL Working Draft on the
XSL-List, please use this system of prefixes in the subject lines of
messages as a shorthand to indicate which part of the WD you are
discussing.  The prefix and the "real" subject of your message should
be separated by " : " as in the following examples.

Please use these prefixes wherever possible: it will make life easier
for your fellow subscribers, and it will also make life easier for
people searching the archive.

SECTION NUMBERS - Use the section number enclosed in square brackets:

   Subject: [3.16.7] : Are crayon drawings supported?

ISSUES - Use "Issue" and the issue name as it appears in the WD:

   Subject: Issue(pattern-pi-target) : Should match on PIs

XSL ELEMENTS - Use the "xsl:" prefix and the XSL defined element name:

   Subject: xsl:stylesheet : "stylesheet" should be hyphenated

FLOW OBJECTS - Use the "fo:" prefix and the flow object name:

   Subject: fo:graphic : Handling 3D?

PROPERTIES - Use the property name, even if it isn't really much of a

   Subject: block-justification-letterspace-max-remove : Negative lengths?


Bugs in software should firstly be reported to its author rather
than to the XSL-List.


Mulberry Technologies also provides the DSSSList -- the DSSSL Users'
Mailing List.  For subscription information and the DSSSList archive,
see http://www.mulberrytech.com/dsssl/dssslist.


If you have any questions or problems, please contact

$Id: admin.txt,v 1.15 1999/04/05 18:30:47 tkg Exp $

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