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Subject: RE: Schemas in XSLT 2.0 (Was: Re: keys and idrefs - XSLT2 request?)
From: "Chris Bayes" <chris@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2001 15:07:46 +0100
xml schema idrefs subject re
Francis,
I would have put you down as one of the people that would go for the
whole hog approach knowing how familiar you are with schema/s/ta. 
I never voted for axing v1.1 which I think was a BIG mistake. Maybe I
could set up a form for voting for v1.1+ with a wish list of things that
get us all the way to v2.0 without v3.0 schema/s/ta. But it is probably
better to do it here on the list.
1. Regular Expressions
2. Extension Functions
3. Grouping
4. multiple document output
5. XHTML output method
6. External file.
7. explicit matching of default namespaces
8. evaluation of dynamically constructed XPath expressions
9. Dates yuk
10. getting rid of node-set of course
Etc

It's a long list and none of the work will be wasted on the long march
to let's call it v2003

Ciao Chris

XML/XSL Portal
http://www.bayes.co.uk/xml


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
> Francis Norton
> Sent: 15 October 2001 11:10
> To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Schemas in XSLT 2.0 (Was: Re:  keys and 
> idrefs - XSLT2 request?)
> 
> 
> Could I include Regular Expressions and Extension Functions 
> in XSLT as part of the new v.2 wish list? Providing those two 
> would really open for XSLT's organic expansion.
> 
> Francis.
> 
> Chris Bayes wrote:
> > 
> > ERH,
> > Damn good idea.
> > The changes for 1.1 and xslt that have come up since then 
> will be way 
> > overdue by the time schema support is shoehorned in. That 
> there is not 
> > even a murmur of a date fot v2 is a bit worying. We already have a 
> > fallback mechanism so let's push it another level and have 
> v2 (which 
> > should really be 1.1+) and v3 (with schema).
> > 
> > That way we get all the pleasure and no pain.
> > 
> > Ciao Chris
> > 
> > XML/XSL Portal
> > http://www.bayes.co.uk/xml
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf 
> Of Elliotte 
> > > Rusty Harold
> > > Sent: 13 October 2001 18:10
> > > To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Cc: xsl-editors@xxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: Schemas in XSLT 2.0 (Was: Re:  keys and 
> idrefs - 
> > > XSLT2 request?)
> > >
> > >
> > > At 4:12 PM +0100 10/10/01, Jeni Tennison wrote:
> > >
> > > >So, the first question is whether XSLT 2.0 should 
> mandate support 
> > > >of XML Schema within XSLT processors (i.e. you've got to 
> be able to 
> > > >validate against XML Schema in order to be a conformant XSLT 2.0 
> > > >processor).
> > >
> > > I propose something even more radical. Drop schemas 
> completely from 
> > > XPath 2.0/XSLT 2.0. First do everything that can be done without 
> > > considering schemas; e.g. better grouping, multiple 
> document output, 
> > > XHTML output method, text inclusions, explicit matching 
> of default 
> > > namespaces, etc. This could be implemented and finished much more 
> > > quickly, and would be useful in and of itself.
> > >
> > > Then, and only then, begin work on XPath 3.0/XSLT 3.0 which would 
> > > consider only issues relevant to PSVI support. By this 
> time we might 
> > > actually have some schema aware APIs to build on top of.
> > >
> > > Furthermore this would also make XSLT 2.0 and 3.0 a lot easier to 
> > > teach and learn because it would be more obvious what depended on 
> > > what. You wouldn't, for example, have to learn schemas in 
> order to 
> > > support multiple output documents.
> > > --
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