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Watching this ongoing set of exchanges is very interesting from the standpoint of cross cultural (mis-)communication. As a watcher I see people interacting at cross purposes. On the one hand we have Paul who seems to be convergently immersed in the minutia of the implementation of his embryonic product but who does not seem to have an over-all understanding of (and sometimes it looks like, appreciation of) document design, type-setting and publishing. Perhaps there is a little tendency to defensiveness. On the other hand we have a number of folks who quite evidently *do* have up-to-the-eyeballs experience with what I would think are 'typical day-to-day' formatting & publishing problems. (And not inconsiderable experience on the implementation side as well, i.e., with TeX, FOP, etc.) In the present case, the fact that Paul can look at a bunch of books and not see 'running headers' is disturbing. However, I'm also disturbed to hear that the XSL spec does not support running headers. This functionality, I think, is fundamental not just to book production but to any serious document output formatting solution. For an example of 'day-to-day', look no further than the relatively 'trivial' ability any self-respecting word processor has to output both constant text string data and also dynamically updated by-page and or by-section information, e.g., numbering, lettering, headings. ...edN > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:owner-xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Paul > Tchistopolskii > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 1999 3:55 PM > To: xsl-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: foo ... bar Re: Q: XML+XSL transforms to a print-ready > format > > > > > > > As to whole running heads stuff. It may be interesting to > > > render such ( exotic ) usecase you are talking about. > > > > Running headings are not exotic. They are very common in > books. I would > > guess that if you picked up two or three books right now, > one of them at > > least would have running headings. > > I picked up 10 books, trying to find something that look > 'not renderable'. There are just different page headers there. > Each of our 40 testcases at www.renderx.com has a > page header. > > > Dictionary-style headings are slightly exotic but they are > just a special > > case of running headings. > > Maybe it'l be possible to get the presize example of what could be > easily rendered by 'typical day-to-day formatter' but not by XSL FO > based formatter ? > > .xml input ( .xml content ) + expected PDF output looks like > a good way to specify the usecase. Unfortunately without > such a specification we may spend a very long time trying to guess > what is considered to be a real problem with "runnig heads" > for XSL FO formatter but not for 'typical day-to-day' formatter. > > > Note that XSL doesn't currently support running headings > (at least not when > > a section doesn't get its own page sequence), so if the > focus is solely on > > implementing XSL 1.0, you could get away with not supporting running > > headings. > > The focus is to show that XSL FO is not a dead meat. Or to > understand > that it is dead meat - so it is not worth supporting it. > > > However, I guarantee that, if not the first, then the > second person that > > comes along wanting to produce a real book with XSL will > wish your product > > supported running headings. > > > If book publishing is not your focus, again, you could > probably get away > > with not supporting running headings. > > Book publishing is not our focus yet, but clean experiment with > 'typical day-to-day formatters' and XSL FO formatter is. > > Rgds.Paul. > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > paul@xxxxxxxxx www.renderx.com www.pault.com > XMLTube * Perl/JavaConnector * PerlApplicationServer > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list > XSL-List info and archive: http://www.mulberrytech.com/xsl/xsl-list
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