size of XQuery developer community

[Daniela Florescu]

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> Only a few days ago it occurred to me that "information processing  
> language" may be better than "data processing language",

Thanks for saying this. As soon as I hit the send button I remembered  
that I promised
myself never use "data" in connection to XML, but "information".
(I am a database person, certain habits are hard to break....)

But yes, I would think too that XQuery is a declarative information  
processing language.


> why do developers and architects so stubbornly refuse just to  
> _listen_ ?

Because we don't talk to them (a) enough and (b) with a message that  
they understand.

I remember years ago, when I was really frustrated that architects  
would not _listen_ that Xquery
was this wonderful and useful thing, I asked advice from Jim Gray. He  
was always ready to listen and help,
and, even though he was too much of a believer in SQL and schemas to  
start embracing XQuery, he gave me
the following advice.

If you want people to listen then (a) write articles and give talks,  
(b) write software that works,
(c) make interesting demos. Then repeat, and don't loose patience.

I think that at this point we have around XQuery lots of software that  
does work: databases, in memory
processors, etc.

What we can do is write more articles, give more talks (Web 2.0, eGov  
2.0 anyone ?), and make more
interesting demos.

About demos: I am still surprised that nobody is trying XQuery's  
mashup strength on the examples
on http://www.programmableweb.com/.  Wonderful site, BTW.

Or that noone is using XQuery on the http://www.data.gov/ site and win  
the price of the best eGovernment application....


Best regards
Dana





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> With kind regards,
> Hans-Juergen
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> Von: Daniela Florescu <http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk>
> An: Hans-Juergen Rennau <http://x-query.com/mailman/listinfo/talk>
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> Gesendet: Montag, den 31. August 2009, 08:58:34 Uhr
> Betreff: Re:  size of XQuery developer community
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>> a widespread lack of a _deep_ understanding of XML.
>
> Hans-Juergen,
>
> Yes, you are right.  There is a deep misunderstanding in IT of our  
> core message
> about the role of XML in the new architectures. XML is not syntax,  
> it can/should be
> the primary way of modeling data. XQuery is not a query language (oh  
> well), but a
> full blown (declarative) data processing language.
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> However, if the world misunderstands it, it is hardly the world's  
> fault.
>
> It is that we do not express this message in a clear, concise and  
> convincing enough
> manner -- and probably not in the right places, either.
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> I hope we don't have to wait 20 years for the message to be heard....
>
> Best regards
> Dana
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