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Re: International standards versioning communities

  • From: "G. Ken Holman" <gkholman@CraneSoftwrights.com>
  • To: bryan rasmussen <rasmussen.bryan@gmail.com>
  • Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 14:33:22 +0300

Re:  International standards versioning communities
At 2019-06-06 12:11 +0200, bryan rasmussen wrote:
I'm basically thinking more like a community focused on international standardization,
Then you definitely need to check out https://www.niso-sts.org/ and the parent organization https://www.niso.org/ for their efforts to convince international standardization communities to use their STS metadata.

We are seeing uptake on the formatting side, but arguably the metadata side is more important.

and then I ask on that community -

hey I have a bunch of DNV-GL Guidelines in PDF form, I want to extract titles, version numbers, does anyone know where I can find info on doing that?
/standard/std-doc-meta/title-wrap[1]/full will get you the title in the first of possibly many languages.

/standard/std-doc-meta/std-ident/version will get you the version number.

See the overview of metadata here:

https://www.niso-sts.org/TagLibrary/niso-sts-TL-1-0-html/element/std-doc-meta.html

and then someone might respond well if you look at the General Guidelines Parser project at Github there is a PERL 4.0 script handling DNV Guidelines but it hasn't been updated in a year, however DNV has a pretty good documentation on how their documents must be structured - even if it is hard to find - read here , but the original files are actually in DocBook format that and if you go to this url you can find the originals and just parse those if you want and if you can handle the DocBook format.

OR whatever - but yes I expect that there are not enough people with those needs that there would be a community list dedicated to serving it, so basically I need to figure it out on a case by base basis.
Have you considered a wikipedia page of metadata types and letting each organization update it with their specific details? The answers would be of interest to all.

. . . . . Ken


Thanks,
Bryan Rasmussen

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 11:44 AM G. Ken Holman <<mailto:gkholman@cranesoftwrights.com>gkholman@cranesoftwrights.com> wrote:
At 2019-06-06 10:57 +0200, bryan rasmussen wrote:
>XML-dev is probably the closest thing to what I want but I figured I
>would ask in case someone knew some list more appropriate.
>I need to be able to figure out what versioning rules particular
>organizations are using - for example if I want to do an automatic
>metadata extraction for documents from CCS (China Classification
>Society) or Bureau Veritas I would like to know if they have any
>sort of standardization regarding document structure so I don't have
>to spend a lot of time asking each organization or trying to figure
>out what the structure is by examining all documents they've
>released - but I bet there is not any sort of a community dedicated
>to this kind of discussion.

That is quite an arbitrary query to try and satisfy. Are you trying
to cover different domains or a single domain? Communities of
organizations may come up with conventions for members to use, but it
would require uptake, then, by those members to great a corpus of
documents using the common vocabulary.

I can offer the following regarding international standardization,
which comes to mind when you cite the organizations you cited.

The NISO STS (Standards Tag Set) is the evolution of the ISO STS use
of the JATS vocabulary both for metadata and for content. A number of
SDOs (Standards Development Organizations) are using NISO.

<https://www.niso-sts.org/>https://www.niso-sts.org/

I'm involved with the <http://SetareSolutions.com>http://SetareSolutions.com startup that is
servicing the SDOs who need PDF and HTML renderings of the ISO
standards marked up using STS. We are seeing STS now from ISO
national bodies that also are publishing their own national
documents, not just those from ISO. This trend should result in
widespread adoption of the metadata conventions that would help
within that one particular domain.

But a general query across unrelated domains of "what metadata
structures are you using?" ... I can't think of how that would
happen. I'm wondering if I've just misunderstood what it is you are
looking for.

. . . . . . Ken

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